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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Interested to hear some thoughts on this one. Have not bought it (yet) Reverse has major die cracks and several Cuds. Obverse appears to have a planchet flaw or die defect in the motto area/top of the shield, or is this PMD?   Thanks for looking. AB *** Moved by Staff to a more appropriate forum. ***Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
6478 Posts |
Yes, a lamination/planchet defect.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
898 Posts |
I'm not sure regarding your question, but if SSK is correct, I think this coin would be a great addition. Love the reverse die cracks.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I think its a small lamination as well. Cool cracks on the reverse. If at a fair price, go for it.
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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
12057 Posts |
I'll put up a bid on the lot tonight, and see what happens. It's priced under retail but not a super-amazing deal. Seller does not seem to be aware of the potential upside on this coin if it is a planchet flaw; I'll send it off to NGC or PCGS and let them have a crack since it seems to be an upper VF-lower XF grade.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Obverse has a lamination@WE but I do not see any Cuds on the reverse. I am not sure what "upside" you are referring to, laminations tend to devalue better quality coins and can be seen as undesirable since it usually looks like damage. |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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laminations tend to devalue better quality coins and can be seen as undesirable since it usually looks like damage. My error was in using the term " Cud" when I meant "die chip." Much like half cents/large cents, Two Cent Pieces have many unique die varieties and die stages, many of which are quite scarce and collectible (there's a member here, westcoin, who is quite an expert.) In this case, there is a circumferential die crack running through STATES, with die chips clearly visible at left of the T, right of A, and left of E. The crack that starts at the left wreath bow and progresses clockwise to a termination at the rim before the first S in states does not show any die chips. The condition of the denticles and rims on both sides is indicative of a LDS coin, and the lamination through WE (with a ghosted E still partially visible) is a good example of the Mint's ongoing difficulty in striking these planchets. It is a good representative of a LDS example in a scarcer date, and a good specimen for die progression studies. (The obverse die was also quite heavily polished, resulting in a disconnect between the shield-left arrow shaft and the shield, and much polishing in the leaves leading to floating leaves with no stems.) My " Two Cents" -- pun not intended. YMMV. Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis |
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United States
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I agree that it is a lamination on the obverse. The die cracks are not uncommon on the reverse, though as you state this is LDS so interesting on that point, not much left in the life of this die set.
I buy lamination errors when they are really big, though I generally would try to get the coin for a less value than a perfect one, since it is really mint/striking damage rather than a true error. I find them interesting.
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United States
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Coin arrived today, took a couple of new pictures. I paid somewhat less than retail, but more than bid. Seller had a lot of 2 cents listed. I turned up the lighting on these to try to bring out some detail, coin is a shade or two darker in hand.   Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis Edited by paralyse
11/27/2015 9:59 pm
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Canada
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That's a flaw in the planchet itself I think. Not sure what the die alignment on your coin is OP, I think that particular issue has both medal and coin, if it's coin alignment, this is further proof it's a flaw in the planchet, as there's a spot on the denomination side that shows a mark above the knot in the bow near the bottom, like corrosion or something to that effect.
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Posted 11/20/2015 02:06 am
