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A Very Odd 1950 Cent!

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Here's another coin I found today. The cause was marked as " Grease Filled Die". I can't say, but I found it interesting:

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Something must have happened to the collar. In places you can see denticles imprinted on the outside edge.

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 Posted 01/23/2008  12:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add amac44 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It may have been in a fire. When I was about 12 I had some coin in at my grandmothers and they looked like that after a fire at her house. no one was hurt but some of my Wheat cent look like yours
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An interesting idea! If it were in a fire, I would expect a high degree of oxidation due to copper reacting more quickly in the high temps. Also, if the fire were to distort the surface of the coin by melting, I think it would also distort the overall dimensions, which in this case remain fairly true. And with this coin, some "mint luster" remains--well, as much as one could expect on a coin like this! I like the oiled die theory because I can visualize the planchet metal trying to fill the die against an incompressible liquid. But, whatever the cause, it's an interesting coin!
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I tend to agree with the fire theory. The wrinkling says more like heat, rather than an "acid bath", as is common in high school chemistry class. A torch can do that type of damage.
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Hmm...I've put plenty of coins under a bunsen in chem class, and I don't think that heat would impress denticles on the edge of the coin. Besides, what is the mechanism whereby the outer surface of the coin would contract (wrinkle) and not distort the overall dimensions? Given bronze's melting point of ~1800 F and its high thermal conductivity, I generally think the whole coin would melt and not just the outer surface. Therefore, it's more likely this is distortion struck into the coin. How's that for an overblown scientific answer?
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I would agree with the Grease Filled Die idea. For one, the surface shows no signs of corrosion that would be left by acids or signs of clean9ing had it been in fire.
Also, the ripples support the grease idea. As a thick liquid substance, the force of the strike would naturally cause a ripple effect, much like if you took a spoonful of honey and flung it onto a flat hard surface, you would see similar ripples (I know this from experience, I was a mischievous child)
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Numismat, yes I also get the impression of coin metal working against fluid pressure, and a direction of metal flow from left to right on the obverse--I could be wrong of course!
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