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Counterfeit 1923 S Lincoln Cent

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/1923-S-Linc...AOSwNphWYE6S

Yes, sadly you heard me correctly. This guy is notorious for selling counterfeit coins - very decent quality ones too.

Notice the fields are completely clean from any scratches or nicks. These are high quality counterfeits, ones that could fool anyone. The indicator is the style of that S mintmark, it's 100% wrong. Notice what appears to be some sort of break in the rim at about 11 o'clock on the obverse.
Every US coin in this guys inventory, along with the tokens/medals he has are counterfeit.

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Huh. Will report when I get home (if its still there)
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Here's a real one for your comparison.

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Looks like he is doing some home workshop made die hubbing off original coins. Anyone experience in metal machining, and has a small home workshop lathe and bench drill is in a position to make forgery dies. Dies can be hubbed by plating, casting, pressure striking or explosive striking.

Image of Abe looks indistinct.

'Numismatic Forgery', by Charles M. Larson refers.
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Just FYI, none of his coins came from the no-no site. I don't like any of them, but if they are cointerfeit, then they are better than most. His 1877 cent has a shallow N, his 1857 Half Cant matches the C-1 variety, and his Indian cents match the type 1 / Type 2 headdresses they are supposed to have. The 1864 (which is an unadvertised 1864-L), has a pointed bust, but I can't see the N in the blurry reverse picture.

I'll let others weigh in.
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Yeah, even the 1851 Large Cent looks pretty good, but up close it looks cast.
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You betcha, sadly.
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I have my doubts, if you really think they are making these themselves, why would they bother with 10$ COINS,and if they are as good as you say , then why not do 4-500$ COINS, just wondering.opinions..
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They are doing it on $400-500 coins, though.
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It is a well known fact that all American gold coins have been faked irrespective of their numismatic premium.

If you can sell a coin for $10, where it material cost is negligible, then why not?
How about striking a hundred or more off a fake die?
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He is located in Sweeden. Can't see buying US coins from a guy in Sweeden and feeling good about it's authenticity.
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Quote:
why would they bother with 10$ COINS


That's part of the ruse....."some are only $10 coins, so they're probably real."
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Because the counterfeiters are only getting paid so much. $10 is probably a lot to them....LOL.
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Reported.
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I saw where the seller has two 1857 Flying Eagle cents with $1 opening bids. Neither coin shows any wear on the eagle's breast feathers.
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Captainrich - Nothing the fields too. No scratches, nicks, hairlines, AHYTHING.
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