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Hounddog Bill Pillar of the Community Canada 1223 Posts	Posted 12/04/2015 2:05 pm Here's one I'm not so sure of but it's not a coin you'd think ICCS would error on. I thought all the 9 over 8 had the narrow gap on the vine at leaf seven, this looks like a wide gap but they're not great pictures. http://www.ebay.ca/itm/EXTREMELY-RA...AOSwu4BV5~pQ Cheers, Bill Report this Post to the Staff

SHAFTA9a Bedrock of the Community Canada 10743 Posts	Posted 12/04/2015 2:19 pm Too much 'glow' on the coin to be able to tell. Report this Post to the Staff
fourmack Pillar of the Community New Zealand 1679 Posts	Posted 12/04/2015 2:21 pm Great pic's tell a thousand words ---poor pic's say nothing and this 1 leaves me scratching my head Cheers Don Vickies cents and GB Farthings nut. "Old" is a figure of speech and nothing more Edited by fourmack 12/04/2015 2:22 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Pokermandude Pillar of the Community Canada 1192 Posts	Posted 12/04/2015 2:30 pm Looks like a wide 9 over 8 to me. Keep in mind that this is an old 2 letter certificate. Coin was graded before many of the more modern 1859 variety distinctions were in the major books. Report this Post to the Staff
DEVLEC Pillar of the Community Canada 3234 Posts	Posted 12/04/2015 2:49 pm Excellent photos ...seems to be taken in his dark room with the light off...for the enhanced antique effect... ....no extra charge for the $99.00 cent with the reflective reflection wrap still on.... Report this Post to the Staff
techwriter Pillar of the Community United States 1285 Posts	Posted 12/05/2015 6:02 pm I agree with fourmack Certainly did not and will not bid for it. Report this Post to the Staff
okiecoiner Pillar of the Community Canada 5589 Posts	Posted 12/05/2015 7:39 pm There were 13 different 9/8 working dies used for the 9/8 (or wide 9 as some call it)so you really can't go by many marks, although all should have a very narrow vine gap/break at 7 because they were struck very early in the cycle. Additionally, most of the inside loops of the upper 9 are getting closer ot circular, rather than real loing ovals like the 59's. The photos are very murky and I would pass on it. ICCS does 'technical" grading, where spots and surface crap don't count. I'd say that it has 11' pole marks all over it. Report this Post to the Staff
JHax Valued Member United States 302 Posts	Posted 12/10/2015 09:25 am The wide gap in Loop 7 means one doesn't even need to look at the date: this coin can't be a 9/8. It would be many more dies before the reverse punch resumed its deterioration at Loop 7, continuing the progression toward the eventual wide gap. By the time most of the wide gap Loop 9 dies were dated the narrow 9 punch was well used and had broadened somewhat. It is not unusual to see the "late" narrow 9 confused with the wide 9 used for the overdating. That being said, however, it is not a mistake ICCS should have made (assuming the holder has not been tampered with). But then there's no shortage of misattributions in the Provincial cent date varieties! Edited by JHax 12/10/2015 09:33 am Report this Post to the Staff
DEVLEC Pillar of the Community Canada 3234 Posts	Posted 12/10/2015 1:51 pm Thanks for that valuable info Dr. Haxby.. ..so nice when the true experts step in here and make it easy for all of us to now tell.. Report this Post to the Staff
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