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Siliqua? Theodosius

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 Posted 12/05/2015  09:13 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add vince1977 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello all,

Ive got this coin. Which looks like it is silver layered. Possible siliqua? But this type normally you see on copper coins not silver layerd ones.

Lyrics on buste side I can read: INOPOLI? Possible from constantinopli?

Reverse 2 soldiers in the middle alot of signs also an ankh cross.

It is silvered 100% sure. Anyone happens to know this piece?

diameter is: 20 mm till 23 mm.



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 Posted 12/05/2015  10:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's definitely not a siliqua, and it's almost certainly not Theodosius (I'm not sure where the attribution to him even comes from). As far as I can tell, it's actually a Constantinople commemorative from the reign of Constantius II (Tesorillo type 15c).
IIRC, by that point, the bronzes were still somewhat silvered occasionally, but it's uncommon to find one with that much remaining silver.

Incidentally, the "lots of signs" is the usual way to display a battle standard (and the "ankh cross" is probably either part of the same, or some kind of chi-rho symbol).
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 Posted 12/05/2015  2:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The coin is from the Constantinople City Commemorative series. This one is a more scarcer type with the reverse of two soldiers standing between a standard holding a spear and resting their hands on a shield. The legend is GLORIA EXERCITVS. If you clean the reverse a bit we might be able to make out the mint mark and come up with a RIC number.
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 Posted 12/06/2015  08:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add vince1977 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The mint mark is that under the soldiers? I can't see any lyrics there...
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 Posted 12/06/2015  9:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add augustus1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It does not look silvered and the type is not usually silvered. 20-23 mm is wildly unusual for this type which is typically 17 mm or less. Something is wrong here.
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 Posted 12/07/2015  07:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add vince1977 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't know maybe imitation?
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 Posted 12/07/2015  4:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lrbguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The CONSTANTINOPOLI obverse inscription was used at four eastern mints Heraclea, Constantinople, Nicomedia, and Cyzicus, except for an anomalous piece at Trier.

That feature coupled with the particular treatment of the standard on the reverse, suggested this reverse from Constantinople:


Siliqua?-Theodosius

The last ring and bar combination which you are reading as an Ankh may be nothing more than the last combination you see here.

Other features about your coin suggest to me that it was minted at Constantinople. However, the measurements you have given for this piece are all out of proportion for any GE reverse from any mint. If the flan is as large as you say, then there is no reason for any part of the design to be off flan and still closely fit on the opposite side. The die for this type was simply not that big. Examples in my collection on 20mm flans have generous margins all around.

I would respectfully suggest and request that you confirm the figures you gave us.
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 Posted 12/08/2015  2:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add vince1977 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for your reaction! I did check it and apparently the online mearure thing is not accurate with the real one... You are right it is indeed smaller and like 15-17mm . Thanks for telling me this! Otherwise I would have made all my new pictures with this online measure thing as I printed it and put the coin above it.... Damm
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 Posted 12/08/2015  10:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lrbguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Okay, that fits. Not sure what kind of online measuring device you are using. Is it something that's part of a digital microscope, or perhaps a screen calipers, or something else entirely? If it is a screen caliper device, then they need to be "normalized" for each image since they are designed to give you screen distance and not image size per se. But maybe that has nothing to do with the tool you have.

Anyway, in addition to the treatment of the standard, the use of drilling to fashion the features of the soldiers, and the obverse decoration of the helmet all lead me to suggest your coin is a Constantinopolis City Commemorative in production from 337-340 at the mint in Constantinople; corresponding to RIC VIII #31 for Constantinople.
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 Posted 12/10/2015  11:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add vince1977 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I probably had to chance the measurements when I printed the online measuring device. Stupid me..
Thank you for the RIC number!
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