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 Posted 01/26/2008  12:38 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add mahgobbi to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Is this just die chips/filled dies or is it possibly some sort of variety? There's definitely something hanging out inside the 5 and it also looks like something might be stuck in the denticle under the 9 and slightly to the right.

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 Posted 01/26/2008  12:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mahgobbi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
On closer inspection, it looks to me like the thing filling the 5 is also protruding out the bottom of it (on the right). The 0 is slightly more than 1/2 filled (lower half) with something. The lines above the 0 are raised on the coin...it's not just a scratch. I can't tell if the bottom half of the 9 is filled or if it was just cleaned and giving the appearance that something is there.
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This goes without saying, but better res pics would help a lot! If that's all your camera does, then no worries.
Even so, I can tell you for 1905 there are 3 distinct varieties for numbers in the denticles, one with "190", the other "905", and "05".
Under a loupe, if it looks like the top of a 9 protruding from the denticles, you might find some other digits too. Interesting marks around the 05--maybe die gouges? I see something, but it's hard to say from the pics.
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This is interesting, but it's late, so I just might be seeing things. I tried to get a better photo. This time the 5 and the denticles look a bit blurrier, but the 9 is clearer. I'm pretty sure there's a shape hiding in the 9. (It appears like a small 7 or upsidedown L). It looks to me like it might be a flip-image of the 5, and we're seeing the (backwards) top of the 5 and the vertical side. The rounded part isn't visible, but if you continued it around, it would end right in that denticle under the 9 where the first photo I posted (above) seemed to have the curved blob (that blob doesn't seem to show up as well in the new photo). I measured the lengths of the figure hiding inside the 9 against the shape of the 5, and they seem to match up pretty closely.

The new photo doesn't seem to be as clear for the details of the 0 and 5, but it still looks to me like there are shapes hiding in them (and on the 5, the shape seems to also be protruding out the side and bottom).

I don't have a microscope, or even a loupe, so I can't do much better than this. All I have is a simple magnifying glass and my digital camera.

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mahgobbi...I admire your tenacity.
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jim - So far I've been wrong every time, but I'm determined to find something on my own before I start just doing it the easy way and buying things. It's the thrill of the hunt for me right now...I want to buy something for close to nothing and find out it was better than I thought. I'm sure I'll get burned out pretty quickly, then I'll be banging down the doors of the kind people on this site who have offered to sell me some of the coins I'm still missing in my books.
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Hmmm...it's still an interesting coin because these might be some kind of die blunders. I'm not sure I see the digits in denticles with the new photo, but maybe I would if I saw the coin. FYI, here's an example of a rather dramatic variety to compare yours to (I found one of these on ebay ):

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Btw--if you look at enough 1900-08 IHCs, I'm sure you'll find something--those years had lots of die varieties
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mahgobbi said, "jim - So far I've been wrong every time, but I'm determined to find something on my own before I start just doing it the easy way and buying things. It's the thrill of the hunt for me right now"


I separate my primary reasons/efforts to fill my collection from primary reason for coin searching. There is hardly the remotest of chances I'll come across a key date...there is a good chance I'll come across many of the varieties and errors.

I amuse myself while coin hunting by creating categories that might be meaningful to someone if I decide I'm going to sell coins. For instance, I sold rolls of AU (no special dates)Wheats, rolls of "toned" (no special Wheats), rolls of minor error coins, all on ebay...for between 2.5 and 4 cents/cent. Right now I've got rolls of "70's/80's/90's non-P" coins I'll probably be putting on ebay soon.

"One man's trash is another man's treasure," right? That, to me, doesn't include "garbage" (culled crap), by the way.

Keep searching...I'm glad you're here, enthusiastically...everything you post is a learning experience for me.

Jim

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mahgobbi said, "jim - So far I've been wrong every time, but I'm determined to find something on my own before I start just doing it the easy way and buying things. It's the thrill of the hunt for me right now"


I separate my primary reasons/efforts to fill my collection from primary reason for coin searching. There is hardly the remotest of chances I'll come across a key date...there is a good chance I'll come across many of the varieties and errors.

I amuse myself while coin hunting by creating categories that might be meaningful to someone if I decide I'm going to sell coins. For instance, I sold rolls of AU (no special dates)Wheats, rolls of "toned" (no special dates) Wheats, rolls of minor error coins, all on ebay...for between 2.5 and 4 cents/cent. Right now I've got rolls of "70's/80's/90's non-P" coins I'll probably be putting on ebay soon.

"One man's trash is another man's treasure," right? That, to me, doesn't include "garbage" (culled crap), by the way.

Keep searching...I'm glad you're here, enthusiastically...everything you post is a learning experience for me.

Jim
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I've kind of been separating things the way that you do for resale. I learned pretty quickly that resale value is a lot better for similar-type coins than it is if I just dump them all together and sell by the pound...and it takes me no extra time to weed out the "different" coins.

I've got about a roll's worth of minor errors I'll sell soon (BIE, filled dies, etc.). I have about 300 1955s that I'm going to roll up and sell separately. I did very well selling off rolls of 1909 pennies. I'm currently working on filling a 1909-2007 penny book with only toned coins. I think I'll do pretty well reselling that one. I have close to 2/3 of the book filled in so far. The rest of it I'll probably just fill with non-toned coins and I'll probably have about 15-20 holes for tough dates.
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 Posted 01/28/2008  05:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add j_h_s to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll save my toned cents for you and give/send them to you to fill your book when I get enough. You still selling rolls of 09's?
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No, I only have about ten of the '09s right now. I sold them a few weeks ago because I found close to a hundred of them mixed in a lot of 1,000 wheats. I should have saved them until 2009, since their value will likely go up, but I wasn't really thinking. I'll probably save any that I accumulate this year and sell them early next year.

Thanks for the offer on the toned coins. It's really nice of you to think of me. I'll probably be selling that book very soon though. I've got it decently filled, so I want to just unload it. In fact, I might work on putting it together tonight.
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