Questionable Toning On A 1921-P Morgan

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cameo92 Valued Member United States 62 Posts	Posted 12/12/2015 6:06 pm Hopefully this is in the right section.. First of all, I'm really excited to be a part of this forum. I've just recently gotten into collecting coins, and I love it :) So this is a coin I recently bought, and I'm wondering what people's thoughts are on the toning. I've been trying to read up on how to spot AT...it seems to be pretty difficult. This coin does seem to display elevation chromatics and maybe a bit of pullaway, but I don't like how the obv. and rev. have very similar colors...I know that's rare. But I thought I'd take the risk. If the consensus is that it's AT, I think I'll probably return it. Thanks! Report this Post to the Staff

Imthealphaomega Pillar of the Community United States 3210 Posts	Posted 12/12/2015 6:43 pm Definite artificial toning and probably used to cover up a crappy cleaning job, Report this Post to the Staff
ChildOfTheWheat Pillar of the Community United States 5828 Posts	Posted 12/12/2015 6:50 pm Artificial Toning. Report this Post to the Staff
sel_69l Bedrock of the Community Australia 21788 Posts	Posted 12/13/2015 02:26 am There is a slight amount of radial mint luster left, but toning like this, if done very carefully, can be achieved by light heat. Actually I still think that is still a rather nice coin, and could attract a few buyers at a lower price. Report this Post to the Staff
llewellin Pillar of the Community United States 1005 Posts	Posted 12/13/2015 02:41 am I agree, that color does not look natural to me Report this Post to the Staff
kanga Pillar of the Community United States 5825 Posts	Posted 12/13/2015 09:24 am If that toning were only on one side I'd lean towards Natural Toning. But both sides!? I'll go with Artificial Toning. Report this Post to the Staff
cameo92 Valued Member United States 62 Posts	Posted 12/13/2015 1:55 pm Alright, thanks everyone, I appreciate it. Yeah I hate it when people alter coins like this... Report this Post to the Staff
cameo92 Valued Member United States 62 Posts	Posted 12/13/2015 1:57 pm Another thing I was wondering, actually, is that it seems like this kind of toning is mostly seen on higher grade coins (64+). Does this even occur on circulated coins? Report this Post to the Staff
MeadowviewCollector Pillar of the Community United States 4409 Posts	Posted 12/13/2015 3:44 pm Quote: mostly seen on higher grade coins (64+). Does this even occur on circulated coins? Toning can happen at any grade level....on the lower grades it looks unnatural and can be the result of cleaning or improper storage. This is a Seated dime I purchased several years ago. It was cleaned and retoned. Report this Post to the Staff
coinlover168 Pillar of the Community United States 506 Posts	Posted 12/14/2015 7:52 pm One thing to look at for toning is how the colors transition. If the colors change abruptly, like your coin does, it is most likely artificial. Report this Post to the Staff
westcoin Pillar of the Community United States 9792 Posts	Posted 12/16/2015 02:04 am Learning to tell artificial toning is getting harder these days. But the best resource I ever had on this subject came from Robert "Bob" Campbell's ANA Summer Seminar bull session about it. There is a video of his presentation available through CoinTV David Lisot's company in Texas. How to Detect Artificial Toning Robert Campbell The coin doctors are hard at work to deceive you with beautifully colored coins. Learn all about toning from Robert Campbell, ANA authenticator and Regional Coordinator. He explains what toning is and how to tell natural from artificial. Lecture with slides. Length: 45 min. Catalog #ANA94-001 Price: $24.95 http://coinvideo.com/search.php?sca...ey=~Grading~ So many coins were dipped in the 1960-1980's as white coins seemed to bring better money, it's almost hard to believe that many of them are original today, many have since re-toned naturally (alibit, processed though storage methods) but not in a malicious way, so they may indeed be okay at a TPG. The best advice I can tell you from Bob's talk is to look for a rainbow spectrum spread, that is the colors must follow the order of a rainbow, from deep purple/violet, through to the reds, any variation in this is most certainly artificially done. Also look for the way the toning flows over higher parts of the coin, broken areas, and weird color patterns. This article (while lengthy) is a pretty start. http://coinsguide.reidgold.com/toning.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"> br / http://coinsguide.reidgold.com/toning.html I really recommend you order the DVD from David, it is worth every penny, and could potentially save you from making big money mistakes down the road, if you are into buying toned coins. "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 Edited by westcoin 12/16/2015 02:06 am Report this Post to the Staff
TypeCoin971793 Pillar of the Community United States 6370 Posts	Posted 12/17/2015 4:14 pm Perhaps this article I wrote will help? https://goccf.com/t/186193&SearchTe...,numismatist Report this Post to the Staff
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