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 Posted 01/26/2008  8:40 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add arthrene to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
A man who works with my mother has a large assortment of German notes which his father brought home at the time that the German Mark was being eliminated. He has told me that I can keep the doubles and pick out a few others I like. In return I'd like to give him as much information as I can about the bills (and maybe a plate of cookies). Any help you can give me would be appreciated. (Sorry there are so many but I figured one topic would be easier than separates.) Where only one side is posted the other side contains no image.

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I looked through halfway so far, and recognized some I also have of the hyperinflationary period. I like those earlier, artistic bills before things got grim.
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Most of the notes are Notgeld (emergency notes) issued by towns and municipalities to cope with the hyperinflation of the 1920's after WWI. You also have several old Empire notes. When the 1910 1000 mark note was issued it had the same buying power as $250.00 US. Not ten years later it took 4 Million marks to equal one US dollar. #38 in your list is called a vampire note, if you look on the neck of the peasant you will see a gash. This was done as an indication how the French were sucking the blood out of the country to pay for war reparations.

I collect Germany notes and particularly like Austrian and German Notgeld notes.
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All the notgeld are from cities rated as "common" in my checklist.

#1: 10 pfennig notgeld from the German district of Winsen.

#2: 10 pfennig notgeld from the German city of Rendsburg. The railway bridge on the back is a local landmark, and shown on the Wikipedia page.

#3: 25 pfennig notgeld from the German city of Schneverdingen.

#4: Germany 2 mark State Loan Currency Notes. Both appear to be the same type, listed in my Pick world banknote catalogue as number 59.

#5: Similar to #4, but dark brown in colour with red seal. Listed as Pick #60. Neither are particularly scarce.

#6: 50 pfennig notgeld from the same series as #2.

#7: Germany, hyperinflationary note for 10 million marks. Pick #106, several different watermark varieties are listed, but none are particularly scarce.

#8: a hyperinflationary railway note, Berlin office of the Reichsbahn (German Railways), 100 million marks 1923. Listed in the Special Pick catalogue as SP #1017.

#9: Germany, 1 million marks, Pick #102. Also has several watermark varieties.

#10: Germany, 5 marks 1904 series.

Part II of my answer to follow...
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Part II:

#11: Germany 5 marks, same series as #4. Pick #56b

#12: Germany 10 marks 1920, Pick #67. There is a scarce variety "without underprint letters"; I don't think this is it.

#13: Germany 5000 marks, an early hyperinflationary note. Pick #81, again with several watermark varieties.

#14: Germany, hyperinflationary 2 million marks. Pick #104, several watermark varieties. Pick also notes a high-quality contemporary counterfeit with a wrong watermark.

#15: Germany, 100 million marks. Pick #107. Again, several watermark varieties.

#16: Germany, 20 marks, Pick #63.

#17: Germany, 20 marks, Pick #48a. This one is the slightly scarcer "six digit serial number" type, but sadly in that condition, it doesn't make any difference.

#18: Germany, 20 marks, Pick #46b. This series also has a "six digit" variant (#46a), considerably pricier.

#19: Germany, 10 marks, Pick #9.

#20: another railway note like #8, 5 million marks. Special Pick #1013. Several watermark varieties.

#21: Germany, 1 billion marks, overprinted on a 100 mark note. Pick #113, several watermark varieties. Also listed are some "overprinting errors", with the print done upside-down or only on one side of the note. A classic example of the hyperinflation.

#22: Germany, 50 marks, Pick# 49. Again, the 6-digit serial number variant exists.

#23: Germany, 500 million marks. Pick #110. NUmerous watermark varieties. Two scarcities to watch for, here: a misprint with the large "500" facing the other way, and a watermark looking like a repeating diamond pattern.

#24: Germany, 20,000 marks, Pick #85. Numerous watermark varieties, none particularly scarce.

Answers part III, coming soon...
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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 Posted 01/28/2008  06:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chrisild to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Actually none of these notes has anything to do with the German Mark (DM). They were all issued in the German Reich, long before 1949 when the Federal Republic was founded.

#29 is funny - not a note but made for advertising:

1000 DOLLARS ... I cannot give you (as a gift), but
MUCH MONEY ... you can make by purchasing/having repaired/having calibrated your

Scales and Weights
actually all measuring instruments

by W.O.H. Bachler, Kiel*

as only the expert guarantees quality work and gives you a warranty. (etc.)

(* Don't know when this was printed, but Kiel has since 1946 been the state capital of Schleswig-Holstein, in Northern Germany.)

Christian
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Part III:

#25: Germany, 100 marks. Pick #76. Several watermark varieties, and paper colours - white, yellow and pale green are your options. That probably explains why they look slightly different in colour.

#26: Germany, 100 marks, Pick #69.

#27: Germany, 100 marks, red serial number, Pick #33a I believe. There is a "short serial number" variant (#33b), with the number 24mm long rather than the usual 29mm; It's a bit scarcer.

#28: a bit different to anything we've had so far: this is hyperinflationary municipal notgeld, from the city of Kiel, province of Schleswig-Holstein, 5 million marks.

#29: an interesting piece of advertising funny money, but it's not classed as "notgeld". The text on the back, as near as I can get it, translates to: "1000 dollars I cannot give you, but you'll earn lots of money when you use the balances and weights and every other kind of measuring tools from W.O.H. Bachler, Kiel" (the same city as #28). They sell, repair and calibrate them. The text on the bottom says "Biggest department store in the province!". I have no idea how old it is, but I'd guess the post-WWII period.

#30: Germany, 1 million marks, Pick #94.

#31: Germany, 10 million marks, Pick #96.

#32: Germany, 20 million marks, Pick #97.

#33: Germany, 50 million marks, Pick #98.

#34: Germany, 1000 marks, red serial number of 7 digits, Pick #44b.

#35: Germany, 50,000 marks. There are two varieties, "with underprint (Pick #79) and "without underprint" (Pick #80), equally common. I don't see anything that looks like an underprint on any of those notes. I don't think the variations in the green ink are meaningful.

#36: Germany, 100,000 marks, Pick #83. the one at the top is a slightly scarcer variety (Pick #83a), with the letter "T" between the portrait and the serial number.

#37: another piece of inflationary notgeld, this one from the city of Rendsburg (same city as #2 and #6), 500,000 marks.

#38: Germany, 10000 marks, Pick #70.

Just a word of caution: I'm using a very old edition of Pick (1986), which is why I'm not quoting catalogue values at you - they'd be pretty meaningless. The values for all these notes are only a dollar or two; I suspect they'd be a few dollars more these days. There may also have been numerous additional varieties discovered since my book was issued.

Also, the numbering system for Germany may have changed between then and now; the Pick editors has a nasty habit of changing the numbers frequently in certain series.
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I didn't see Christian's translation before I posted. I wasn't too far off - not bad for an amateur.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Pretty darn good actually. I do not really collect paper money but historic notes are interesting. By the way, here is a picture of kids playing with German hyperinflation note "bricks" in the 1920s: http://einestages.spiegel.de/hund-i...nt_large.jpg
And here is a man using such notes as wallpaper: http://einestages.spiegel.de/hund-i...nt_large.jpg

The caption says something like "if due to the high inflation you cannot afford buying wallpaper any more, it may be less expensive to use the notes for that purpose". Admittedly I am happy about not having been around in Germany during the first half of the previous century ...

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