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Valued Member
Australia
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I had purchased one other, but could not believe my luck when I stumbled across this one on ebay. It was not listed as an over-date(toe nail 9), right 9(wide date), or flat base lettering. Was also spotted by another collector, so did not get it dirt cheap, but was very happy as was still under $5.00. What are others thoughts on this type of 22 penny, and possible/ probable mintage?    |
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Valued Member
 Australia
206 Posts |
Some better pics for inspection    Anyone got any info. |
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Valued Member
Australia
206 Posts |
As opposed to the normal configuration of the 1922 penny  |
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Formerly nancyc
Australia
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Can't say I've heard of an overdated 1922. Don't know anything about it to be honest.  life is a mystery to be lived not a problem to be solved
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Valued Member
Australia
206 Posts |
Apparently the CAB magazine ran an article on these some time in 2006. I have not sighted the article, so was wondering if anyone had, or knows any info on these types.
All I know is that they have a spur or toe-nail on the 9 in the date(overdate), have flat base lettering on the reverse(as opposed to normal curve base lettering) and a low right leaning 9 as on the wide date variety( as opposed to high left leaning 9 on normal).
I suggest you are not alone nancyc, I had not heard of them till last year either, so think I may be a bit ambitious in gaining much info, but you never know till you ask.
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Formerly nancyc
Australia
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It doesn't really make any sense to me. If it's supposed to be the '9' that's overdated, over what? In 1922 the date on all Aussie coins started with 19, so it's not logical that the 9 is overdated over any other number. life is a mystery to be lived not a problem to be solved
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Valued Member
Australia
206 Posts |
I know nancyc, I can't quite figure it out myself. Possibly a re-punched 9, but why call it an over-date? May even be wrong in assuming it's the 9, but that's the way it's always been presented. In all the auctions for this coin I have seen, they were listed as wide Date/ over-date with with distinct spur or toe nail on tail of " 9 " in date. I have found another one listed on ebay, though can't really tell from the pictures supplied. # 320216691627. Don't know anything about that seller either. Have seen others sell last year, 2 in VG+ for $23.70 and $21.57, 1 in F for $29.86, 1 in Good F for $46.00, and a VF+ FOR $311.00. All were near the beginning to middle of last year and all from the same seller wyzguy. I have messaged wyzguy ,and the seller of this current one, to try and find out more info, so will post any relevant info in replies, if I get one. Short of that, I think I will have to order a back issue of the relevant CAB mag. |
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Valued Member
Australia
206 Posts |
Got an email from the seller of 320216691627 and seems my assumptions may have been correct as to re-cutting/ punching. The 1922 Penny is mind boggling with it's different varieties. However some research's mention the 9 as an over-date. I myself feel it is only a re-cut 9: CAB VOLUME 9 NUMBER 5 June 2006 see page 38/39 Entitled Rare KGV Pennies-Going Cheap it refers to the 1922 as "the wide date with over-date/doubling" it mentioned it being scarce as the 1925 Penny. Fred Lever also in CAB VOLUME 10 NUMBER 11 Dec 2007/January 2008 on page 24 Fred refers to the 9 as a spike or toe nail.wyzguy, is yet to get back to me, but in one of his auctions, mentioned it was at least as rare as the 1923 half penny. Some food for thought there, All comments welcome. |
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Valued Member
Australia
206 Posts |
Some further info from lounger34.
Only to happy to assist, I found another bit of information for you. It's written by Surjit Wadhwa. In CAB Volume 8 Number 11 Dec 2005 on Page 39. He writes about 2 types of 1922 Over-dates. The over-date only appears in a few of the Type I wide Date and the Type II extra Wide Date. He also stated out of 25 Wide Dates he only found 4 over-dates. He also said on good examples the over-date is detectable across all figures. A few Coin Dealers he showed them to were not aware of the Variety. He classes them as very rare.
Seeing how only about 1% of 1922 pennies are wide date types, I agree with Surjit Wadhwa, a very Rare type. Would love to get my hands on the one where detectable on all numbers.
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Valued Member
Australia
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Hi all, In regards to the flat based text, there seems to be 4 different 1922 Penny varieties. There appears to be three that are the London Die (where the last leg of the N in OMN lines up between 2 denticles) and one that is the Indian die variety (the last leg of the N in OMN lines up on a denticle). Of the three London varieties, one is the normal coin where the 9 in the 1922 leans towards the left and is noticably so. The other two are the wide and wider dates. The wide date coin has an upright 9 in the 1922 date, and if you ran an imaginary line from the coin rim towards the right most part of the lower line in the last 2 in the date, this line would be at about the start of a denticle. The wider date coin also has an upright 9 in the 1922 date, and if you ran an imaginary line from the coin rim towards the right most part of the lower line in the last 2 in the date, it would line up in about the middle or the right of middle of a denticle. I have the 4 varieties in lower grades (F). For some excellent pictures check http://www.triton.vg/P22.html |
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Valued Member
Australia
206 Posts |
I have been told this is the best way to sought your 1922 varieties. This info was supplied to me by the very wyze Dave.G. Hope it helps others as much as it has me, so will post it for other collectors. quote:
Sort by obverse type - Indian/ London = 2 piles.
On the Indian dies, check for CBL reverse and FBL reverse = 2 piles.
Now check obverse lettering on each of these new piles. Could be FBL / CBL obverse =now = 4 piles of Indians.
now for London.
seperate as above and get your 4 piles.
Put a normal date one aside - you should have 9 piles now.
Then seperate a wide date , an extra wide date and a wide date with spike on tail of nine/ overdate.
That should make 12 different distinct types.
If that isn't enough there are 1922 indian die first 2 tilts left,
upsets, single prong spurs, Double prong spurs, and triple prong spurs, Cuds, diecracks, dots and possibly many more.
Is at minimum, a very confusing year  . |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
628 Posts |
Can anyone recommend an online shop and reference books so I can get an idea of price etc?
These really are great looking coins.
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