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1859 9 Over Inverted 9 #2

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Very hard coin to find! How would you grade it?

Thanks
MG

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 Posted 12/20/2015  12:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice coin.
EF40 with some distracting scratches
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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12/20/2015 12:22 pm
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 Posted 12/20/2015  2:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hounddog Bill to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great looking coin and yes very tough to find EF40

Are you sure this is a #2 though, I think this is a 9/9 #1.

Cheers, Bill
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 Posted 12/20/2015  2:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add viper to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Bill! Yes this one is #2 Haxby 42+I4 #1 is 45a+I7

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Viper I took another look on Dr. Haxby's site and I still think you have them mixed up.
PC59 421 obverse 42 reverse I4 is 9/9 #1
PC59 45a1 obverse 45a reverse I7 is 9/9 #2

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Nice coin.
EF40 with some distracting scratches


Calling JIM there is a mix up on your site between 14 and 14a
Cheers Don

Vickies cents and GB Farthings nut.
"Old" is a figure of speech and nothing more
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 Posted 12/20/2015  3:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add viper to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Bill I call it #2 because it is 45a+I7 that is in the Charlton so to me that is #1 and not the 42+I4? Sorry if their is any confusion!
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Just reading some of my notes from Ed/Jim and it says type 2 open vine leaf 2 No die crack at leaf 12 and nicely offset 5/5
Cheers Don

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12/20/2015 3:43 pm
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Type 1 open vine leaf 2, die crack base of leaf 12,triple/quad repunch in Notch of C in CANADA, die crack upper right serif N of CANADA and bottom left
Cheers Don

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 Posted 12/20/2015  3:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fourmack to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Leaf 9 looks like pinchers grabbing the shank PC59-421
Cheers Don

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12/20/2015 3:39 pm
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Very tough,..and one sweet cent to have in any collection..

Thanks for sharing these nice pics of it..(wish that it were mine)..
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 Posted 12/21/2015  09:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Strach-Man to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice coin indeed and for the grade EF-40.
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12/21/2015 09:23 am
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Any thoughts on getting the coin graded? I'm not sure who you could send it to that would recognize it as a 1859 9/6 Type 1.
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12/21/2015 09:22 am
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 Posted 12/21/2015  10:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add techwriter to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
with the EF grade, very nice.


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Any thoughts on getting the coin graded? I'm not sure who you could send it to that would recognize it as a 1859 9/6 Type 1.


This seems like the perfect time to EDUCATE them. Probably to no avail but nothing ventured nothing gained.
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 Posted 12/21/2015  10:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JHax to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Marcel's coin is 42+I4. Two convenient markers are the repunched 5 and the thin bridge of metal (like a die break) vertically across the "bay" of Leaf 9 (where Stem 9 intersects the leaf). 45a+I7 has neither the repunched 5 nor the bridge across the bay of Leaf 9. The presence of die cracks can also help. All I7 examples I've seen have a crack to Leaf 12. Marcel's I4 seems to have a crack to the stem of I5, although my I4 is an earlier state and has no cracks.

Now, in my catalog I call die I4 #1 and I7 #2. I4 was the first such die I discovered (in the early 1970s). It was a few years later that I found I7 and so named it #2 and I4 #1. I had no input in the Charlton listings of these varieties and can't remember what was done there. I'm reorganizing my library and my Charlton catalogs are packed!
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12/22/2015 07:48 am
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