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Would this be the start of a clip it is the right size.   |
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Spain
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It wouldn't be because coin clipping occurs before a planchet is struck, it is the clipping that creates the round disc in the first place. You can see that this occured after it was struck because it has gone through the legend and the rim. Do you have any damage present on the other side of the coin? If so, it's more than likely PMD. If not, it could be a very small double strike as it looks like the impression is the same size as the coin's rim, or it could be a very coincidental strike through of something with a very similiar curvature to the coin. Edited by UKPennyHunter
01/04/2016 11:40 am
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 Canada
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No damage on the other side , a normal obv. I was thinking it wasn't but had to ask. Quote:
it looks like the impression is the same size as the coin's rim It is the same size. |
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I would suggest a double strike in that case! A very nice error coin in any case  |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Above the U and the N and the I - could those be the tops of letters?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Could it be caused by laying a second cent barely over this cent and then hitting the top cent with a hammer( PMD)? Edited by Sudz
01/04/2016 2:24 pm
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Canada
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I don't like the deformation at the rim, while everywhere else on the rim looks like it was struck with full collar. I think it is post-mint damage ( PMD). "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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SPP you make a good point regarding the protrusion, but if there is no damage on the other side then I would still assume that it's not PMD. Can we see some pics of the other side? The slight bulge is a little disconcerting.. @sudz - this is probably what happened if it is PMD but it should show up on the other side Edited by UKPennyHunter
01/04/2016 2:25 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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PMD, not a clip or double strike
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Can you elaborate or should we take your assertion as gospel?
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Pillar of the Community
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Can you elaborate or should we take your assertion as gospel? So who would it need to say it was PMD for you to believe it as so? Why not thank him for his educated perspective? Some of you guys on here kill me. You get some of the best minds in the hobby to help out with your questions FOR FREE, and you act like that? WOW. |
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I never said anyone has to take my word as "gospel" but since you are looking to hold people accountable for their words, I am now looking at you UKpennyhunter. If you really think it looks anything like a doublestruck coin, then you really have no idea what a doublestruck coin looks like and you should probably refrain from commenting on coins outside of your area of "expertise".
If it were doublestruck, then the second strike would have been out of collar and the rim would have been completely flattened with minimal remaining traces of the first strike. Since the rim and primary strike details are present in addition to obvious rim and device deformation(smash job), it is most definitely not a double strike error or any other sort of error.
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Who knows if it's an educated perspective or not, he just said ' PMD'! I genuinely wanted his opinion on the error and sorry if that sounded rude or anything that really wasn't my intention. What you have just said however is quite rude, why is it that me trying to elicit more information and further discussion on the subject is 'killing you'? Furthermore, it wasn't my question in the first place that is being answered FOR FREE, I have no idea who are 'the best minds in the hobby' in this forum and you are the only one who has chimed in on this thread without giving anything constructive. Biokemist - I apologize if that sounded rude, I do want to know what you think about the error as that's the only way I'm going to learn. |
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Wow OK, well thank you both for that. I seemed to have offended you both which wasn't my intention and while I thank you for your explanation which genuinely has taught me something new, I will refrain from posting or trying to help on this forum again because clearly I am an idiot who knows nothing. I never said I was an expert and was only giving my opinion, just because you know more does not mean people who don't are not entitled to have a try. I also did say that it was more than likely PMD and also that I 'suggest' it being double struck, giving explanations for both reasons. It's nice to have knowledgable members but when they give no explanation it helps no one to learn. Edited by UKPennyHunter
01/04/2016 3:36 pm
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Speaking from a new guy perspective, I understand the frustration with a simple, unexplained response. Noone should be offended when asked to elaborate. This is a forum for discussion whether you are an expert in the field or not. I'm pretty sure UK is just tryng to learn something from friendly knowledgeable people as am I. Just my 2 Cents.
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