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Hello,

I'm new around these parts but I am very interested in possibly acquiring a coin from 1457. I don't really know where to start looking or if a coin with that date even exists but I figured I'd ask around here to see if anybody has any pointers?

Ideally the coin would say 1457 on it but if it is of some other calendar or can be pinpointed to minting in 1457 by design instead that will do nicely as well.

Thank you!
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I think it's going to be difficult to find a specific date, but you might find something from these dealers.

https://www.vcoins.com/en/stores/an...ult.aspxfind

You might also do a general search for medieval coins with that date.
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Are you referring to 1457 AD, or another calendar system?

Dating coins in Europe didn't really start until the 1500s, so odds are not in your favor for find something from European kingdom before that. I'd be on cloud 9 if I ever found one with a 1482 actually stamped on it :) Dating without dates happens by identifying the dates of the ruler on the coin and possibly linking the coin to some historical records to narrow in on a time range it could have been produced.

If you'd accept a non-romanized script on another calendar system, like the Buddhist calendar, you might net you something.
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Thanks so much for all of the advice and links. I figured it might be impossible to find a coin dated 1457 AD. I took a look at the link you sent, TypeCoin, and it looks like there are a few options where it says "vor 1457", like this one:

http://www.ma-shops.ru/olding/item....7415&lang=ru

I assume this simply means it was made some time before 1457?

Any idea how early coins were dated in the buddhist/islamic calendars? For these I'd be looking for a 2001/861 on a coin.

Thank you!
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I can't help you with China. Nothing was officially cast between 1435 and 1488.
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Hi llewellin, I can maybe help you a little bit with European coins.

According to Levinson's "The Early Dated Coins of Europe 1234-1500", there were two groschens minted in Saxony with the date 1457. The specific references are I-91 and I-92 and they are a bit spendy--somewhere in the $3K to $5K range for the typical aVF condition. It is an understatement to say that they are rare, the more common one (I-92) is thought to have something less than ten coins available outside of museum collections. If you ever saw one for sale, you would want to get lots of assurances of its authenticity.

If those don't excite you, there were three dutch coins minted with that date as well (III-22, III-23, and III-24). These are just as rare as the German coins, but at about half the price (probably due to lower demand).

Finally, the Austrian Duchy of Wiener Neustadt minted a kreuzer with a 1457 date. It is uncollectably rare.

You seem super-fixated on this one specific date, so an alternative pathway would be to focus on the French royal coins as in some cases, the specific emission can be bracketed to a specific year (despite the date not being on the coin). You'd need to study a reference like Duplessy's "Les Monnaies Francaises Royales" two-volume set. I believe that Charles VII was in power for 1457.

Best of luck!
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Very good thank you so much dspenciner for the very informative reply. I'll be sure to consult the references you mentioned and am excited for the hunt; while it seems much more difficult that I had anticipated, the fact that there are multiple options is heartening and even if I can't buy one the research will be fun for sure.
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One final thought for you if you decide to go broader and include other, non-Gregorian calendars with this quest. AH (Hijri) to AD calendars are easily available online, but the years don't exactly line up so, for example, the AH 861 could be 1456 or 1457 AD. Steve Album's "Checklist of Islamic Coins" doesn't have pictures, but is a very good reference nonetheless.
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