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This is raised up appearing similar to a Cud, but a Cud couldn't form in the middle of the coin right? It is definitely raised up and not sunken in, The obverse side shows something going on with her hair, its appearing as a strike through grease but since it lines up with the obverse error, I don't think it's a strike through grease but something more...     The coin is in fantastic condition, shows little to no wear, and has a fantastic double 5. Lots of mint lustre present on this coin. Does anyone have a clue what this raised patch is? |
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Is there any "dish" to the Obverse side in the hair? From the look of the beads, they appear smashed and flattened, almost as if a hammer or heavy object smacked it from the Obv side and on a semi-rigid surface.
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That was my first thought too when I saw it, but there is no cupping at all. It's semi flat... But almost appears to have a rise in it too just slightly...
My next thought would be a filled hole, but it doesn't show any signs of that either. It would look alot more crude.
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Haxby variety 46a4 / K3
MS 62
This is from a late state of the die.
I am unwilling to speculate as to the cause of the blemish.
doug
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Looks like die collapse, common in 1859
Edited by nybird
01/11/2016 8:24 pm
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Looks like die collapse, common in 1859  Given that the fields are the highest points on the die, I would concur with this. The lack of pressure from a collapsed reverse die would yield in the obverse not being struck at the same spot on the opposite side. Also the orange peel texture on the reverse anomaly, looks exactly like a large cent blank planchet... "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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OK so I just googled it, I can't find information on a die collapse... Nor can I picture what that could even look like ( the die itself) care to explain?
Also you say its common on the 1859s... Does this make its value only minimal? Or could something like this be worth a couple hundred... Keep in mind the condition is pretty decent
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What causes the beads to flatten and expand?
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Does this make its value only minimal? Errors are all about the wow factor... so in my opinion, for this coin, there is no added value, except maybe to someone who is building a type set of errors. Quote:
What causes the beads to flatten and expand? They are flattened, because they were never fully struck into the design. The "expansion" is an optical illusion, the base of the bead design is wider than the convex top. "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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SPP: I fully realize that the beads are tapered(wider at the bottom), but they certainly don't overlap one another like the section on the Reverse shows. They still look peened to me.
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I just googled it, I can't find information In the future, before you google something, use the numismatic search engine on this site. If something similar has already been discussed, you will find it with this awesome tool. BTW, nice coin! |
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Oh that's great advice. Thanks.
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Does this collapsed die error go in stages? Progressively gets worse after the collapse. I've seen other pictures and none of them seem to have a large unstruck patch like this... Just small areas that don't come to a completely flattened surface.
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Nybird looks like you solved it. Same die, same collapse, the poster's coin was likely struck very shortly after the one in the link because it's a little further along. Really interesting, never a big collector of these, but that is really interesting. Especially seeing that there were millions struck, I doubt many were struck with that collapsed die before they caught it. And look at the die crack off the leaf at the 9 o'clock position. CongrTs to the poster. Really neat!
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01/12/2016 5:59 pm
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