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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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I was looking to buy my first 8 Reales. I found this one and I wanted your opinion. Is it authentic, is the price ok? The price is $89. The seller hasn't provided a weight, diameter or edge photos.  
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Based on just what I see - I believe you are looking at a Numismatic Forgery. I would absolutely wait for an accurate weight and edge photos. There is no rush for such a common variety. There will be others with all the answers.
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Pillar of the Community
 Australia
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Thank you for looking at it for me. What makes it stand out as a forgery?
Also could you recommend where I could find a Spanish or Mexican 8 Reales for under $100 USD.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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There are two things. First the large break near the F (assayer initial) looks like many similar breaks I have seen in modern centrifugal castings. I know that many people do not question such items because they might be genuine die chips, however, there are more seen on cast copies than on the genuine versions.
Second and far worse is the appearance of wire rim from the same F to the cross on the crown. That feature should not be there on a screw press strike. The dentils on a genuine die are cut full length so there is no mechanism that can produce such a feature (raised arc) on a screw press strike.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Thanks for posting this ...
Seems like I learn something every time I read a 8R thread.
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Valued Member
United States
249 Posts |
I own several of these, & I like your coin! But the easy tell be in the edge, you need some good pics of that. None the less I'm thinking it could be a genuine coin.
Edited by rynegold 01/15/2016 8:30 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Hats off to Swamper Bob. Saw the lump at the F and denticles look odd.
However I do not understand how a wire rim would show up on a casting. Please reference the chapter in your book or some thread if you have chance.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: I do not understand how a wire rim would show up on a casting. It is simply the seam between different parts of the mold in which the casting was made, and is called flashing. You could also get such a rim by striking the coin in a collar. I think the question that should be asked is 'How could such a wire rim exist on a real coin, given the known minting process?' The answer is that it can't - the denticles should continue off the edge of the coin. This is similar to the very early US silver dollars - if there is a wire rim, the coin is fake.
Edited by Susuman 01/16/2016 01:03 am
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Pillar of the Community
 Australia
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I asked the seller for some edge photos and they haven't replied.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
684 Posts |
Susuman thank you. Think I understand.
With 3D and everything can't the forgers do a better job? Where is Mark Hofmann?
Don't collect 8Rs any more because of this.
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Pillar of the Community
 Australia
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What do you think of this one. 26.97g and 40mm. 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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westwoodarms The discussion about the dentils ending before the edge of the coin appears on page 139 of the book.
flippy The 1806 that you posted is a better looking coin. I see no obvious red flags.
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