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Manchurian Provinces 20 Cents Silver - Real ?

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 Posted 01/18/2016  12:39 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Numister to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Authentic ?

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 Posted 01/18/2016  1:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinworldtv to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi there, I think, that this one is good.
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 Posted 01/18/2016  4:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The surface of the reverse field looks as if it is pressure cast. The value should be for '4.4 candareens', not "44 candareens".
The lettering style of 'CANDAREENS' is very poor.
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 Posted 01/18/2016  4:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinworldtv to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@sel-69I

All you say is there, but this is a known variety.

The coin does not look cast to me, it seems to be a nice original.
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 Posted 01/18/2016  7:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gxseries to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There's no dot in between the numbers 44. There are other coins that do reflect the decimal but not with this particular type.

This is my example:

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Note that this series is noted for varieties - I think there are close to 10 - 20 different types if you want to collect them all. My advice is not to start... I've tried to get rid of duplicates but turns out they are all different...
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 Posted 01/19/2016  02:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numister to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok thanks guys, seems like this one is similar to the Yunnan 50 Cents and Tibetan Rupee in that they have tons of varieties. Was initially concerned of a lack of script in the centre of the reverse.
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Looks like a dug a hole with this one, I bought another 2 - one with a six pointed stars, and another with minute differences....

But are there rarer more valuable varieties or generally all the same ?
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 Posted 01/19/2016  04:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gxseries to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
In general, if you get them in VF - XF condition, they are around the 20 USD mark.

The two exceptions are when you have spelling error in Provinces and the earlier dated Manchurian coin from 1907 instead of 1909 onward. I believe the word is misspelt as Provinecs from memory.

As you can see here are some examples online. Some of them are mine.

http://omnicoin.com/search/?tp=1&s_...ory=&yf=&yt=
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 Posted 01/19/2016  07:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numister to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Anyone can recommend good books or sites that talks about old China coins, in particular how to spot fakes ?
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 Posted 01/19/2016  09:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinworldtv to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I doubt, that there is anything usable on this topic.

If there are any, they must be in Chinese, not english.

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 Posted 01/21/2016  09:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numister to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi gxseries, is this the spelling error that you were referring to ?

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Numister - that is correct. There are other varieties out there with this error.
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 Posted 01/21/2016  11:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numister to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So this will have significantly higher value and is rarer ? Roughly what ratio ?
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It really depends on who is willing to buy and how much they are willing to pay. Chinese coin market sales seemed to have slowed drastically since last year with the exception of scarcer to rare coins. At peak, I've seen one sold for more than 100 dollars but I seriously doubt it brings that kind of money these days unless it's in strong UNC condition.

It's certainly less common but I do not follow this series very well.
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 Posted 01/22/2016  07:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numister to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just curious, does anyone know why they produced so many varieties ? Seems rather inefficient and confusing.
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 Posted 01/22/2016  09:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gxseries to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A lot of coin designs that era went through a lot of scrutiny when it comes to 'protesting quietly' of their current situation. As for these coins, I can only imagine that these were forced to be redesigned as the Japanese slowly crept into Manchuria. A good example would be this coin issued in 1929

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Notice how similar the waves and other elements are on the coin like the following?

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