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Pillar of the Community
United States
1179 Posts |
I hope I can get some good ideas from the experts. I've been buying like crazy on ebay since oct 07, now I have alot of stuff that i'd like to sell to fund my collection. Most will be duplicate coins/sets and what not. And of course a few random household things, nothing really expensive. I guess i'd like to know the easiest way of doing this. I'm nervous about selling, why, I dunno.   I plan to put up a dozen or more items at once to save multiple trips to the post office etc. How does the paypal side work as far as recieving money? How do do you calculate shipping charges? Any tips on posting pictures and key words etc? I guess I'm just hoping somebody will show me their process of selling things so I'm less NOOB about it :) Thanks for any tips  
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Moderator
 United States
23522 Posts |
OK, I'll bite. This is purely my own opinion; others will advise doing things differently, and they'll probably be just as right as I am. 1. Have a set and consistent format. I adopted a free template from Robs Help: http://www.robshelp.com/That, or something like it, will allow you to present your stuff in a professional format, rather than just typing words into a typical ebay text paragraph. It makes you look more professional, more serious, and more experienced. Not to mention, it makes things a lot easier to list multiple coins. 2. Provide the very best pictures you're capable of. If you can't provide a pic, or a scan, which you can grade from, learn how. Yes, I know, it's not very common on ebay to provide truly nice shots. However, good pictures still attract the less-knowledgeable collectors, while they also attract the experts who simply pass by poorer photography. Don't forget, more experienced and financially-capable collectors can be found collecting lower-grade stuff just like higher grades. Host your photos off of ebay - there are many places to host them for free. 3. Be clear and concise with your descriptions. Use adjectives sparingly - state the good features of your coin in plain language, let the bad things speak for themselves (remember, you're posting good pictures), and make exceptions to that last if your coin appears cleaned, and doesn't show it in the pics. People still buy cleaned coins. I have one on ebay right now which I think might have been cleaned, I mentioned that fact and it looks like the buyers don't care anyways. When you're done talking, shut up. As a buyer, I cannot stand having to scroll down the screen of my 20" LCD for half an hour to reach the pictures. 4. Settle on what it will cost to ship your item, and don't add to that amount. Cover your costs, and no more. That doesn't mean pay yourself for the trip to the Post Office and the cost of the saliva to seal the envelope; charge actual postage cost plus a few cents for the envelope. Figure out what one coin/envelope weighs (somewhere between 2-4oz.), and charge based on that. Personally, I use Calculated Shipping costs (having ebay calculate cost based on what I provide for weight and extra charges), because I want to have the buyer feel like the cost will be based on the specific mileage from my house to theirs, but others just use one fixed rate and that's just as sensible. 5. Sell only in the U.S. unless you're completely comfortable with international shipping. Selling internationally introduces a lot of chances for things to get messed up up - insurance is impossible and Delivery Confirmation is iffy depending on destination. 6. Regardless of whether they're the Devil or not, don't fail to accept Paypal. The overwhelming majority of buyers want to use it. It's that simple. If you accept personal checks, make sure there's language about waiting for the check to clear before you ship. 7. Set a strong return policy. Never sell a coin without a return policy. That sends a very clear signal to the buyer - you don't trust your own stuff. 8. Stagger the ending times of your auctions. Not all buyers use sniping software, and you'll never know what widely-different coins might be on the radar of the same potential buyer. Don;t make that guy try to bid on two things that end in the exact same moment. 9. Do not use either a Reserve or a high Starting Bid. That's extra cost for you, and turns potential sellers away. Yes, I know, it feels risky (and it is - I'm not telling you that you're going to win every time this way). But, the key is to make your auction attractive to the most-possible customers, and many (including myself) usually pass buy Reserve auctions. 10. Know your coin. It only takes away from your potential profit if you're selling a rare error without mentioning the fact, talking about a grade that's clearly wrong for the coin, or calling it silver when it's nickel. 11. Use every space available in the title. Use the terms copper, silver or nickel; many buyers search by those and you'll attract more viewers. Establish your Paypal account and make it Premier, so you can accept credit card transactions. Yes, I know, that costs more, but many buyers (like myself) always use a credit card to purchase for the extra layer of protection. You'll be lucky if you can cover 12 items sold with one trip to the Post Office - not everybody pays on the same schedule, and it's bad form to make an earlybird wait for a slowpoke. I personally don't like those sellers who talk about only doing one shipping run per week, although if they're selling hundreds of items at once I can understand it. Don't expect great results immediately. Your newbie-seller status will work against you, although a nicely-written auction with clear pictures will offset that to an extent. So, save your better stuff for down the road, when you've established your reputation as a good seller. Well, that's a start. Don't plan on it all being very easy to begin with, but the more you set up before you begin selling, like a consistent format and shipping terms, the easier it will be down the road.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
1179 Posts |
Wow thanks Dave. I appreciate the honesty. This will help me alot when it comes to selling items. =) =)
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
2830 Posts |
G'day, I've never sold on ebay, but I've bought plenty. I'd emphasize Dave's No.2 - photography. Bad pics make me wonder what is being hid, and I steer clear of them. I always find that sellers with bad pics never send better pics when I ask; and never give clear answers to questions. So I don't bother asking any more, nor do I bid. As far as I can tell, the only sellers who put up bad pics are idiots or frauds. AND, remember to include good pics of BOTH sides of the coin. No.4 - very important. The buyer factors in the shipping/postage every time. Some sellers attempt to adjust the shipping after an auction has ended. I always refuse to pay, and report them. Some sellers, particularly in Asia, charge highly inflated shipping, but it is counterproductive. No. 5 - this is the only point where I disagree with Dave. If you eliminate all non-U.S. buyers, you curtail the demand - significantly - with the result that the price falls. Two examples: Twice in December just gone, I asked U.S. sellers how much for postage to Oz. The reply was "sorry, I don't send outside the U.S.". One coin was an 1814 gold Napoleon - melt value $150. But this is a VERY hard to get year - and it sold for $144. I would have bid $225, and would not have been at all confident of getting it. The other was a double-Napoleon of An XI (1804) - the first year that Bonaparte appears on any coin, melt value $300: sold for $290. I would have gone at least to $360. I don't see the point of listing on ebay if you want to exclude most of your potential customers. No.6 - very important. For all its faults, paypal offers a very real service to buyers. Especially to buyers outside the seller's country. Some sellers obsess on the fees, but they're overlooking the fact that paypal expands your marketplace, and thus increases effective demand and the final price. Bank fees on an international transfer are $22 for me. Paypal charges me nothing: that's a big difference for a buyer, expecially for items under $200 (10%). No.7: I don't understand Dave's point, sorry. No. 8: very good advice. Three minutes is enough. Put the most popular items first. If you only charge realistic postage, then the next few coins, after the first, will be post-free, or nearly so. That is a big incentive to bid, and to bid higher - but only if that first coin is "in the bag". 9. I agree with Dave: there is a risk. But that is an essential feature of the auction process. You minimize that risk by accepting bids from all potential buyers (ie, international); by charging realistic postage; and by have inexpensive, quick, and efficient options for payment. best wishes for your sales. I'm looking for - threepence of 1820; any coins of 1887 with Queen Victoria on them. Peter in Oz
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Moderator
 United States
23522 Posts |
Peter, I make my point about international sales only as advice to a brand-new seller. After all, for all we talk about it, sending coins to Australia is specifically prohibited by the US Postal Service: http://pe.usps.gov/text/Imm/ab_012.htmI honestly can't recommend doing business internationally for someone who has no experience at all selling on ebay. It's bad enough, and will only get worse when buyers get free reign to do as they wish without fear of Negative feedback. As a fairly experienced seller, I'm unconcerned about selling to Commonwealth and EU nations, but I know the ins and outs. As soon as a new seller feels confident enough in his skills, by all means add international customers to the mix, but I just cannot recommend it for first-timers. My poorly-worded comment #7 was to specify that a seller should have a solid return policy in place, because not to accept returns is a very bad sign.
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
1014 Posts |
 So is it actually illegal for our US members to mail coins over to Australia?
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
2830 Posts |
G'day, "So is it actually illegal for our US members to mail coins over to Australia?" - I'd say illegal is too strong a word, but it is forbidden. Also see:
"Dangerous & Prohibited Goods & Packaging Post Guide - November 2005 The Dangerous & Prohibited Goods and Packaging Post Guide contains the standards of the Australian Postal Corporation regarding: - goods that must not be posted - conditions of posting and packaging for certain other goods
Section 3 - Other goods prohibited or restricted in all services D3.0 - General principles D3.1 - Possession or carriage prohibited by law D3.2 - Banknotes and Coins D3.3 - Bullion
SECTION 3 - OTHER GOODS PROHIBITED OR RESTRICTED IN ALL SERVICES D3.0 - General principles This section defines articles that, while not necessarily dangerous, Australia Post prohibits in all services, or carries only with specific restrictions or conditions.
D3.1 - Possession or carriage prohibited by law Australia Post prohibits any item, the possession or carriage of which is prohibited by a law of the Commonwealth, a State or a Territory.
D3.2 - Banknotes and Coins Banknotes are currency notes that are legal tender in the country of issue. Australian notes of whatever age, currency or denomination are legal tender within Australia. Coins are coinage in either Australian or foreign currency and includes coins made from precious metals whether or not such coins have a denomination. Australia Post prohibits banknotes or currency notes and coins: #9830; in the International Post #9830; in all services within Australia except Registered Post. In Registered Post within Australia, Australia Post accepts banknotes or coins to a maximum face value of $A200 in any one consignment. However, Australia Post accepts no liability for the loss of or damage to any such notes or coins.
D3.3 - Bullion Bullion is lump or bulk metal, pure or impure, refined or unrefined. Bullion includes ingots but excludes manufactured items, such as jewellery. Australia Post prohibits bullion in all services."
As I understand it: if you post coins, etc, in or to Oz, and they arrive - sender & receiver are happy, and no-one else cares; if they don't arrive and you claim compo, the Post Office will rely on the above to refuse or limit your claim. So, it's a "all care, but no responsibility" situation.
Peter in Oz
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
1014 Posts |
Oh Oh, what happens if I recently posted payment to USA and theres like three coins in them which jiggles, would they take it out of mail if they felt the coins? 
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
2830 Posts |
G'day, I've had packets containing coins opened by Australian Customs, and re-sealed with an explanatory note inside, and my coins were delivered to me by the Post Office, without hassle. They're not looking for problems: but if you say that your Proof 1930 penny has gone astray and you want $600,000 compensation, they'll use the rules to avoid paying up. You can bet that if you look at the fine print of a contract with any of the alternative carriers, that the same issue is addressed, in some shape or form.
Peter in Darwin
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
1014 Posts |
Usually how long does this deliver back to you take? Mine has gone out for a few days now... 
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Moderator
 United States
23522 Posts |
The intent of these prohibitions against shipping coins (and they exist in many countries) is to interdict the transferrance of wealth rather than the selling of collectible coins. In my experience, most destination countries, especially the Commonwealth countries, are very reasonable about observing the spirit of the law rather than the letter of the law. So, we can pretty much freely sell to/from Australia, Canada, Britain and the like. I've sold to places like Cyprus and Poland, both of which have the same restrictions, without incident, and sent numerous coins to Australia.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2254 Posts |
Ceaton, looks like Dave got about everything you will need in one reply. Very nice Dave  The only thing I will add is that to me, #11 is the keystone of the entire process. You have a certain amount of characters you can use in the title, and my suggestion is to use every single one. Look at other auctions in the same category and try to understand/inlcude all of the keywords in your title. You wouldn't believe how important this is. I see so many listing with really basic titles and 3 bids, and the exact same item with 20 bids that has all of the keywords. I will try to find an example for you. If it's a coin listing, you can always post a link to your auction here after you submit it and get our critique. If it's not a coin, you can post it in the "general discussion" area for advice also.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2049 Posts |
Thoughts on Dave's points:
1) Agree 100% - makes it consistent so the repeat buyers know exactly where to look for the info they need to know 2) Agree 110% - this can mean the difference between making someone happy or mad at you, and can make a difference in your final auction price 3) Yes be very clear, and if there are problems not seen in the pictures (such as rim damage) make sure you note that 4) Calculated shipping by zip code is a great tool, and you can add a flat amount for handling to cover for packaging materials 5) I agree 100% - once it leaves the country good luck tracking it down 6) I am 50/50 on this. Yes Paypal is used by many as it leads to a quicker turnaround time, but you lose a percentage due to fees and Paypal is looking at a possible 21-day hold on funds so that is huge downside if you need the $ right away 7) I am mixed on the return policy as well. Buyers can be very fickle and can sometimes buy on impulse, only to change their mind later. Is it fair that you have to pay a new listing fee to relist an item that was returned? Is it fair that you already incurred the expense of gas taking it to the post office? Decide one way or another and stick to it, but I dont agree that you have to allow returns. 8) Good point...some people are fast, some slow on computers so having a bit of a buffer to allow them to see all your auctions helps. 9) Excellent points. I personally hate reserves and wont bid on reserve auctions most of the time. Sure you take a risk and sometimes you may not get what you want but the potential to scare off many buyers who dont like hidden things can really hurt you. 10) Good points as you will get more hits when people do searches. You can even take it a step further and put those terms in the auction description (i.e. I sell copper, gold and silver coins...please check out my other auctions)
As far as trips to the post office, I do have buyers that pay in a very staggered manner, so I make the promise to ship within 24-72 hours of receiving payment. That gives me some flexibility to wait for payments to come in without ticking off the buyer who thinks I took too long to ship.
As far as being a newbie, I would say build up your feedback with alot of cheap purchases. Buyers will tend to stay away from sellers with very low #'s, so build it up even on the buying side and this will pay for itself.
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