Confused Over "toolng"

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Krusti-Koin Valued Member United States 166 Posts	Posted 01/31/2016 09:01 am I recently submitted a 20 Cent piece (pictured below) to PCGS, and it was returned in a body-bag marked as "Tooled". I am assuming that they are referring to the shield on the obverse, but I am unsure. It appears that it is damaged rather than re-engraved.Perhaps others have some comments on this. Anyway, I have also included a 1838 Half Dime which clearly has damage to the shield on the obverse. This coin is graded XF40 by PCGS. Is this just an example of inconsistency on the part of PCGS, or is there something I am missing here? Any comments to help address my confusion would be appreciated. Report this Post to the Staff

Justinwd Valued Member United States 311 Posts	Posted 01/31/2016 09:18 am I would say it's definitely the liberty on the shield, It looks like someone made it deeper and bigger, still a beautiful example of a 20 cent piece. Report this Post to the Staff
BStrauss3 Pillar of the Community United States 4593 Posts	Posted 01/31/2016 10:18 am You are missing something The damage to the Half Dime is a result of circulation wear and tear. More is allowed on older coins because they are expected to have been through more opportunities to be damaged. The tooling to the 20c is a result of somebody attempting to make the coin a higher grade than it deserved. It's not circulation. And so the coin is damaged and no longer gradable. -----Burton 50+ year / Life / Emeritus ANA member (joined 12/1/1973) Life member: Numismatics International, CONECA Member: TNA, FtWCC, NETCC, EveryCountry (online) coin club Owned by three cats and a wife of 40+ years (joined 1983) Author: 3rd Edition of the Sample Slabs book, https://www.sampleslabs.info/ Report this Post to the Staff
Krusti-Koin Valued Member United States 166 Posts	Posted 01/31/2016 10:41 am Thanks for the replies. I guess I just didn't pay attention to the tooling, I have not encountered it before, and I was enamored with the overall condition of the coin. I'll chalk it up to education. I am not sure that I agree that the Half Dime deserved a numeric grade. That is prominent gash on the obverse, but I guess they are the experts. What a shame, otherwise a beautiful coin. Thanks for the responses. Report this Post to the Staff
babysitr Pillar of the Community United States 1339 Posts	Posted 01/31/2016 4:48 pm The 20 cent piece has great eye appeal..I would have cracked it back out of a details holder, no matter..keep it raw! I'm still in their learning curve also. Report this Post to the Staff
Jaobler Pillar of the Community United States 6394 Posts	Posted 02/03/2016 11:50 am Is there consensus that LIBERTY is the area that was tooled? It does look more bold than would be normal on a twenty-cent piece. There is also a small dig along the lower edge of the LIBERTY scroll, perhaps where the "tooler" got sloppy. Was the coin returned in a Details holder? I believe they will normally encapsulate any submitted coin unless it's counterfeit, altered date/mintmark, or has active PVC corrosion. Your coin looks like it should have come back in an "AU Details - Tooling" slab. Report this Post to the Staff
Krusti-Koin Valued Member United States 166 Posts	Posted 02/03/2016 12:00 pm Yes, that is my question: Is it the shield that was tooled? I instructed PCGS to "not holder genuine" , so thats why it came back in a body-bag. Report this Post to the Staff
jack jeckel Pillar of the Community United States 5208 Posts	Posted 02/10/2016 3:40 pm We would need better and BIGGER pictures of the obverse and the reverse. Report this Post to the Staff
Conder101 Bedrock of the Community United States 17884 Posts	Posted 02/11/2016 1:00 pm Pictures too small and pixelate too much when enlarged. Can't tell what if anything they are calling tooled. Report this Post to the Staff
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