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1922-D Lincoln Cent

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A poor quality casting: 381538470857

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My contacts think this is ok, just in horrible shape.
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My contacts think this is ok, just in horrible shape.

This coin has a stronger second "2" in the date than the first "2" in the date. The "L" in LIBERTY is up against the rim as it should for a strong reverse coin. But the reverse was copied from a weak reverse die, as this coin grades two grades less reverse compared to obverse, exactly the opposite of what would be expected for a strong reverse coin. If the reverse is taken as the basis, then the obverse is wrong.

Either way, the coin is wrong.

Don't tell your ebay contacts this, but your contacts here are sharper than they are...
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Well you just told them yourself. Good job.

So you're calling this a counterfeit just because the obverse and reverse grades don't match?

The guys got over 18K feedback, at 100%. I wouldn't pull it on that logic.
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If I'm not mistaken, you can have a weak D and a weak reverse too. Not all 1922 Ds have a strong reverse.
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So you're calling this a counterfeit just because the obverse and reverse grades don't match?

No, not generally so, but to this specific year and type because on this coin the reverse is weaker than the obverse on a coin whose obverse is ALWAYS weaker than the reverse.

I don't care about the feedback; the coin must pass muster on its own.

This one doesn't.
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If I'm not mistaken, you can have a weak D and a weak reverse too. Not all 1922 Ds have a strong reverse.

You are not mistaken. The more common no-d/weak-d variety has both a weak obverse and a weak reverse. And on these coins the second "2" in the date is always much weaker than the first. I own dozens of certified weak and strong reverse 22's and have never seen a coin like this one. This coin has mismatched obverse to reverse never seen on a genuine coin.
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Something is fishy in Denmark but a couple things that don't smell:

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Seller Advertises as 1922-D

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Here's a weak reverse from Heritage, and the twos look about the same. The outside 2 doesn't look too much weaker. With the corrosion on the ebay coin it's really hard to make a decent comparison.

http://coins.ha.com/itm/lincoln-cen...bnail-071515

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Oh yeah, I'm very familiar with that, great site, and I agree about the outside 2 being weaker on them. You could be right about this one. All I'm saying is that the corrosion on the obverse is making it difficult. The LIBERTY and the motto look good though, and I've never seen a decent counterfeit that nailed both of those. I recently posted what I thought was a weak reverse 1922 No D, but we couldn't quite figure it out. I hope they aren't learning how to make weak reverse (along with figuring out the LIBERTY and motto) counterfeits, that would really take it up a notch.

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