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Is there a current uptodate census of the Natick and Gilbert experimental printings? It has been at least 2 yrs since I looked and google doesn't show anything new. Last I kne the census was:
5 1977A EH $1 Natick experimental notes, non-error
12 1977A EH $1 Natick experimental notes with 3rd print on reverse error
0 1977A E* $1 Natick experimental notes
0 1977A E* $10 Natick experimental Notes
4 1963 CA $1 Gilbert experimental Notes, none seen since the early 90's
If anyone knows of any changes to the census please share with us. The more info and photos the better. Last I knew, CCF member jim61 was doing a census but I have been unable to find a finished copy. I see that BrokenCoin has also been working on one for the errors, tho his links don't want to work for me. Any links or data would be helpful. Any of these notes for sale would be a dream. Thanks in advance my friends.
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I have also been working on the same Census, searching the Internet, Auctions, etc..
My total Natick overprint on back is still at 12 Notes (3 in my possession), and it would have been 15 Notes, had I not had to delete 3 Notes from Bart's Census due to the serial numbers being off by 20,000 sheets (explained in my CCF Census Thread)...
Not sure why the links are not working on your end...
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02/07/2016 2:53 pm
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I also found a site that mentions some series 1963A Gilbert Notes from Block G-G was found in the Safe by one of the 3 new owners...
The BEP claims they can't confirm the G25628001G - G25630704G series 1963A Notes were printed on Gilbert Paper..
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Now is that the 1963A series or 1963? I found some references to the serial range $1 1963 G25630162G through G25630434G on hand written notes from the Gilbert paper company, but nothing on 1963A Gilbert's.
Is the range you gave the minimum run size based on serial number range?
I was trying to figure that out as well, I'm afraid I'm not that good at it lol.
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Below is a older thread I screen-saved when searching Gilbert Notes.. You can continue the search and see if thread .was ever updated in the last 6 years.  |
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Should your search locate series 1963A Gilbert Notes printed for both G- G & G-* Blocks, I found the following ebay lots that would be a steal if printed on Gilbert.. Is this worth the gamble, that is up to you (if I collected non-errors, I would be purchasing these)..   |
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Very interesting, those ebay lots are tempting, tho I'd like it better if they were a bit closer to the run mentioned. Thank you very much for sharing that bit. I'm looking up that thread now, does it also mention the G* notes? Would you mind sharing your source on those if different. |
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The facts are that Gilbert Paper delivered 1,235,396 sheets to the BEP & they only recorded 20,000 sheets being printed on series 1963 $1.00 FRN, C-A Block... Gilbert also had series 1963A $1.00 G-G Block Notes in their safe... Fred Reed was well known in Numismatics, and I believe at one time was Editor for Coin World... 1,215,396 sheets are not accounted for, and I really do not believe the BEP would destroy over 1 million sheets... The rest you have to piece together... |
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I agree, I'm just curious how you piece in the star notes?
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Ok so I'm putting together my own complete census of these notes since I can't find a published one. I'm nearing completion, but still have to track down some more photos. These are the serial numbers I have I tracked down so far. If you have anything to add please post or PM me. Every bit helps!! History here refers to grades and any past auction or prices realized or fun facts about the note. Natick Notes Non-error notes-3 found, 2unconfirmed E79917153H E79200297H-History needed E79065697H-History needed Error notes-14, + 3 unconfirmed E78779660H-History needed E78899665H-History needed E78899670H E78979672H-Photo-History needed E78979675H E79059661H E79059662H E79059666H-Photo-History needed E79059668H E79099672H E79139661H E79219676H E79339666H- Photo-History needed E79339677H This 3 are disputed and probably don't exist. E78879760H E78879666H E78879670H Gilbert note Census 7 notes confirmed and 1 possibly unknown C60802665A-History needed C60802957A C60803598A-History needed C60803640A-History needed C60804062A-History needed C61069423A-Photo-History needed C61069425A-History needed Unknown, sold on HA for $11.50 on 3/02 with pamphlet no photo?2 probable Gilbert's from company safe, photos needed G25631121G G25631124G For those who don't know, these notes were printed on experimental paper and are only identifiable by the serial numbers. Be sure to check your collections! Gilbert test notes $1 1963 C60800001A through C61440000A $1 1963A G25628001G through G25631124G Natick test notes $1 1977A E76800001H through E80640000H, may have 3rd print error $1 1977A E07052001* through E07680000* $10 1977A E05772001* through E06400000* Edited by GoldenChest
02/25/2016 12:04 am
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First I want to thank all involved for your good work. It is impressive. Ok...here is what I have wrt the Natick consensus: E79065691H bp5, 92H bp4, 93H bp3 transaction 5/27/06 $102.51 for all three; 94H-97H sold first, transaction 5/4/06 same buyer, I do not have back plates, $230.10 for the run. I would for sure own these but at the time was out of the country and my location was not secure for such transactions. E79917153H bp6 in fine sold as a BIN for $500 this past year. I own E79830742H pp D2, fp D2079, bp4 in Gem CU.
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Thanks for the info! Do you have any photos of these notes? I have the E79917153H info. It sold almost 3 yrs ago. On the others I haven't heard of at all and that would be 9 new notes. Are these errors or regular issue?
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02/25/2016 5:18 pm
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Hello, none of these are errors, they are all regular issue. Almost three years since the fine note sold, wow time does fly by. I can only supply a picture of my note but I am not sure how to upload it here. I guess I could figure it out. Somewhere in my holdings I have a bunch of 1977A $10 E* notes in circulated condition. This goes back before any serial number range was assigned to the Natick notes. I will try to find them. I will let you know. Thanks
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Thank you. CCF has a great image uploader and edited, you should have no problem. If you do have a problem, let me know and I'll help you out. If you have anything else to help verify the other notes, please share. Auction history or catalog listing are great. Thanks for your help, it's much appreciated. Check those star notes, that would be a phenomenal find!!!
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Here is a Blog I found for Gilbert Paper, and some of the employee replies.. I just requested info on Foreign Currency Stock they made in the 1960's.. http://menashabook.blogspot.com/201...892621097920I also posted the 3rd party grades I had on the 14 confirmed notes on My Natick Census Thread. the Three E7887xxxxH notes are off by 20,000 sheets.. Edited by Broken-Coin
02/25/2016 11:15 pm
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Ok hank at Wheres George has given me the following serials number that were enter in their database over the years. Over 84 Naticks listed, to many for him to copy all to me. And quite a few Gilbert's reported. If anyone has a where's George collection, chk them out and see if you have them.
$1 1963
C60802095A-5/06 tippcity ohio
C60868191A-8/05 philly, pa
C60905084A-a silver cert not a FR
C61124444A-1/09 rockland Me
$1 1963A
G25630795G 9/05 NY
G25630879G 5/05 black creek wi
G25630901G 1/11 oxford, NE
Just goes to show these notes are still out there and circulating. I'm not adding these note to the census since they are not in a collection, just fun facts tho.
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02/26/2016 11:17 pm
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