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Several other older threads on the forum pertaining to specific varieties but to summarize them, I'll start afresh. Please, anyone choosing to add your photos, feel free. With 1951 50c, the "195" are in fixed a fixed position, the last "1" varying position of high (common), or low*, and narrow date and wide date along with various minor varieties revealing obverse die cracks in certain positions. *The low "1" is found on the narrow date, helpful to know. As for the reverse, the hearing aid, double HP or DEI, more die cracks. In attempting to photo some of the varieties that I happen to have, I'm getting which pic is what coin utterly confused so I'm going to post only a couple at a time once I get straightened around. Meanwhile  I may have discovered an interesting new variety. If so, could it be named "the no-gel mohawk flop" of George VI?   Edited by wildflowerAB
02/07/2016 3:51 pm
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The varieties that are easiest to identify: Wide date  Narrow date, high "1"  Narrow date, a little lower "1"  Shades of grey, I don't think the above is an actual "low 1" though. I notice from the photo in the appendix of 2014 Charlton for that variety that the top left corner of the "1" is almost at the middle of the top bar of the "5". more. Edited by wildflowerAB
02/07/2016 4:24 pm
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This is a link on the topic a 1951 die rotation. https://goccf.com/t/147992Oddly, of my total 1951 50c, 2 of 5 exhibit the same rotation at about the same degree, narrow date as well. That would seem to suggest a large portion are likewise. Still mulling over die cracks.....  |
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I also notice reference to 1951 Obverse die resurfacing - no, shallow or deep however I'm not sure how to identify such. But I'm wondering, might that explain the varying size of gap between the "R" and "A" in GRATIA? The difference is quite obvious even to the naked eye. Another narrow gap sample that's refusing a clear photo at this time has a slightly raised area right through the entire lower portion of GRAT, but not a die crack, a wider ridge, which gives the appearance the RA are joined together. Narrow Gap  Wider Gap  |
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And to wrap up (I'm considering avoiding any future purchases of 1951 50c.forever! lol!) but I was very pleased to find the Hearing Aid variety that I didn't realize I had..after taking a good close look in each of George VI's ears. Both are from the same sample revealing the die crack, visible on the narrow date, high I photo.  Another view of the die crack  No double HP though. Anyone else with either identified or unidentified, please continue! |
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Hey wildflowerAB, got my 2014 Charlton with the special section on KGVI 50 Cents by pginrh. Now I am sizing up all of my inventory. I have a 1951 from an LCS junk bin. I believe it is a Narrow Date, definitely not a low 1. Nice hearing aid by the way.  Edited by SilverDon
02/08/2016 9:17 pm
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Hey SilverDon that's great, the more the merrier! Yes, Pg's section in the 2014 Charlton definitely helped me along as well.
Yep, sure looks like a narrow date high 1, does it happen be rotated as well?
Next on my list is 1952. I hope you (or anyone for that matter) might like to contribute.
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thank you all for this thread the photos are far from the best do you think is most likely a vise job ? tia    Edited by torgemco
02/09/2016 8:05 pm
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HI Torgemco! That certainly looks like a vise job, although it's hard to understand the point. Just to see it if would bend I suppose. Another narrow date, the 1 is so high it's seems ready for blast off!
Anybody notice any die cracks?
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Well what a very delightful surprise! Amazing how sometimes things just happen to fall into place, this sure makes my day. Indeed I think I have here a sample of that low "1". The method of determining this - set the 50c level by drawing a horizontal line that runs from the top tip of the first "1" to the bottom of the ring. I have horizontal lines on my iphoto edit function that I'm able to use in order to "straighten" a photo. The top left corner of this last "1" is lower than the line. As well it is also noticeably lower by comparing where the top left point of the "1" lies in relation to the bar of the neighbouring "5".  |
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Resurfaced Die Occasionally, used and damaged dies were totally resurfaced and replated. Fine details are sometimes removed and elements may appear smaller. http://www.coinscan.com/err/rsd.htmlAccording to this link, resurfaced dies are the cause of, for example, no design in 50c, plus SWL and Arnprior of $1.00. Might any of the numerous knowledgable forum members here kindly offer any additional insight into resurfaced dies in general? |
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thought you might like seeing this one a bit too much glare on the obs    regards |
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Nice one Torgemco! I also find proper lighting to be a challenge, some days are better than others, reason still unknown. (You got any 1952s to post on the 1952 thread, head on over:-) But your photo has gotten me once again wondering of the Great Mystery of the RA. More on that. This one the RA is joined.  A 2nd photo of the same, slightly different angle.  Another one, a survivor, same RA joined.  Where I remain perplexed - If die surfacing removes detail, what accounts for the joining of RA? Or would this be an example of when it would become obvious that die resurfacing was required, in order to attempt to perfect the die, so to speak (in layman's terms)? Anyone? |
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thanks wildflowerAB i possess 3 1952`s and i`ll try too take better photos last 1951 att regards p.s. meant 2 ask if it looks cleaned ?   Edited by torgemco
02/11/2016 9:12 pm
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You have 3? Fantastic!
By the way, the last 2 you posted here. What do you think is the variety, narrow date or wide date, high or low 1?
As far as cleaning, seems to me that a circulated George VI coin - I'm not an expert at grading but say F or VF, showing signs of wear might be considered "cleaned" if it looked, well, too clean. Particularly 50c with so many nooks and such, it would not be natural for a circulated coin to remain so clean while becoming worn. But the other type of "cleaned", far worse, is where you can see scrub marks, usually horizontal lines, scratched right into the surface of a coin. I can't notice that type of cleaning on the pics you've posted, although at some point in time it may have been washed. I'd suppose that sometimes washing may have been necessary to preserve a circulated coin.
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Here is my only 51. I'm saying Narrow Date High 1  |
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