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 Posted 02/08/2016  10:23 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Go-Rebels to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I'm seeing more and more coins like this on ebay with a seller showing a misleading picture of a nice coin pulled from the PCGS site claiming "Coin detail information and example images provided courtesy of Professional Coin Grading Service." Of course, the coin you get is nothing like what is shown in the pic.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1959-1C-DC-...22000206396?

Does this conform to ebay's rules?
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 Posted 02/08/2016  10:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add one_fine_dime to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Seems fraudulent to me. Posted photos should represent the actual item for sale.
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Yeah , his main photo is not of a deep cameo . Looks like a regular proof 1959 Lincoln. other photos deceive .
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 Posted 02/08/2016  10:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Go-Rebels to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ebay rules:

Stock photos can only be used for brand-new items

Stock photos may no longer be used as the primary photo for a used item listing. Catalog images are acceptable, but not as the primary photo for used items; exceptions are the Books, Movies, Music, and Video Game categories. Catalog images for video game consoles, however, must adhere to the new requirement.


This is a deficiency for coins (really all collectibles) that needs to be corrected. Is a proof coin "brand new?" Technically the seller is not breaking ebay's rules.
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 Posted 02/08/2016  10:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add turingmach to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Go-Rebels, according to ebay's Stamps, currency, and coins policy (under Raw coins):

"The listing includes photos of the front and back of the coin being sold, and you are authorized to use the photos. Stock photos and images that are dark, out of focus, edited, or misleading aren't allowed."

and

"Photos or scans of coins in holders from a non-approved grading company cannot show a grade. The grade must be completely obscured and unreadable."
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 Posted 02/08/2016  11:02 am  Show Profile   Check BH1964's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add BH1964 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ebay inserts those photos automatically when you select specific coins for sale. Ironic that their own software violates their rules. I always delete the stock photos ebay inserts in my listings.
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 Posted 02/08/2016  11:02 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add LocalCoinGuy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
New is a word that describes:

new
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new (no#862;o, nyo#862;o)
adj. new·er, new·est
1. Having been made or come into being only a short time ago; recent: a new law.
2.
a. Still fresh: a new coat of paint.
b. Never used or worn before now: a new car; a new hat.
3. Just found, discovered, or learned: new information.
4. Not previously experienced or encountered; novel or unfamiliar: ideas new to her.
5. Different from the former or the old: the new morality.
6. Recently obtained or acquired: new political power; new money.
7. Additional; further: new sources of energy.
8. Recently arrived or established in a place, position, or relationship: new neighbors; a new president.
9. Changed for the better; rejuvenated: The nap has made a new person of me.
10. Being the later or latest in a sequence: a new edition.
11. Currently fashionable: a new dance.
12. New In the most recent form, period, or development.
13. Inexperienced or unaccustomed: new at the job; new to the trials of parenthood.
14. Of or relating to a new moon.
adv.
Freshly; recently. Often used in combination: new-mown.
[Middle English newe, from Old English n#299;we, n#275;owe; see newo- in Indo-European roots.]


Is a 1959 Minted Coin really new? Or is it "just like new"?

Our US Language has many meanings and this is one example where a Seller takes the meaning too far ..... Very descriptive!
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 Posted 02/08/2016  11:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Buying on ebay without READING the full description will often lead to problems.
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 Posted 02/08/2016  11:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cascade to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Where does he say they are PCGS images? I'm not seeing it
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 Posted 02/08/2016  11:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add srs77 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The description info is from PCGS. ebay's software allows that.

The only thing I can find him in violation of is using a slab not allowed by ebay to display a grade without blurring or removing that info from the slab. As always, caveat emptor....
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 Posted 02/08/2016  11:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add turingmach to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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The only thing I can find him in violation of is using a slab not allowed by ebay to display a grade without blurring or removing that info from the slab.


That, and I think the use of a stock photo is done in a misleading way. It isn't representative of the item being sold.
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 Posted 02/08/2016  1:16 pm  Show Profile   Check nss-52's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add nss-52 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ebay coin policy.

A coin graded by a non-approved grading company can be listed, but the numeric grade can't be included in the title, description, or item specifics. You can't include an image of the coin in its graded holder if that image shows a grade that is not completely obscured and unreadable on the photo.


But, it you put it in a 2x2, you can write any grade you want. No mention of that in current coin policy.
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I think the use of a stock photo is done in a misleading way


If you're speaking of the two pictures of the coin not in the slab I can see your point but anyone with eyes can tell that those pictures are not of the same coin in the slab. Now that being said, I certainly see your point.
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What does RD mean for a Steel Cent?

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Obvious mistake by TPG . RD ,''red'' Designation is for copper cents only .
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Not error by TPG, obvious error by seller.

This guy is a known self-slabber and everything is horribly overgraded.

Off the cuff nutjob too, just look at the responses given to neutrals and negatives calling out his scam.

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