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Pillar of the Community
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Feel free to call me Will.
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Yikes, seller odovdo123 is a Top Rated Canadian ebay seller with a 100% approval rating and who appears to have considerable experience in the coin business. Much different than the stereotype of the typical dodgy ebay seller..... |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The obverse die is the same in both cases hardly possible for issues of 1945 and 1948 even in Canada where mintages are small. In this case, however, the King's title had been altered in 1948 to omit ET IND IMP (and India Emperor). Therefore it is impossible for these to be genuine.
Since the seller has posted different obverse pictures (of clearly different coins) for the 1945 and 1948 there is no possibility of a posting error.
Giving the seller the benefit of the doubt is difficult - he may have had a less experienced employee do the post. But he should have checked the inventory in any event.
Even if these coins were the same type, they are much more likely forged than genuine because of the loss of detail, the odd looking high rims and of course the field marks typical of forgeries.
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Thanks for explaining why these are forgeries.
So many call a coin a forgery but don't give the reason why.
Explaining the problem to the less informed,like myself,can get us educated in such matters.
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I sent the seller a message (both in English and in French) that these coins were counterfeit... As mentioned above, a person with that feedback and experience should know better!!  We will see if he replies...  "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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I reported this one as well to ebay. "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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Forum Dad
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Forum Dad
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Pillar of the Community
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I also wrote to the seller before they were terminated.
I also asked if he would sell them as Numismatic Forgeries for study. No reply yet.
Regarding the explanation of why they are fakes, I see that as the only real value in this exercise since no matter how often items get reported the seller survives to re-post the same junk another day.
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Well, I got a reply. Quote:This is absolutely stupid! I simply forgot to change the photo of the obverse when I used one of the listing to make the other (that's why the obverse of 1948 is the same as the 1945). And you jumped to the conclusion that those coins are two counterfeit coins, making all kinds of links with your China-I-don't-know-what?... What an idiot you are! It's very fortunate for other coins sellers on ebay that a dumb jealous seller like you is not a policeman... One last thing: if you report me again to ebay with only stupid allegations of this kind, you may have to face very serious legal actions. I hope this is clear enough... I just replied to him, and also cc'd on my reply was somebody from the RCMP's counterfeit division. In poker, that is called "Calling ones bluff"  "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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Pillar of the Community
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Just checked my in box and the first item was the seller's reply. Here is what he said: Quote:
Dear swamperbob,
I received your email today about what you called "forgerie" items. Did it ever occured to you that all of this may have been caused by a mix-up in photos? I mean, you assume that the obverse of the 1948 dollar is the same as the obverse of the 1945 because "the die was the same"... And if I simply forgot to change pictures when I used a listing to write the other? I think you must ask those kind of simple questions before going to any serious conclusions...
Thanks to think twice next time before taking any action...
- odovdo123 He was not as "irate" with you but makes the same specious claim about a photo error. The photos are not the same. The two obverse photos are of different coins - not a repeat of the 1945 picture. I now believe that the seller is a simple FRAUD. He mixes high ticket frauds in with cheap genuine materials. He is not an English speaking person - Chinese ? who knows. |
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Good move SPP! You rock! Honestly, the tone of that reply says it all. Oddly this seller sounds exactly like one of a different name who I encountered from the same location, who also threatened me with legal action if I reported them to ebay for another sort of unscrupulous deed (which didn't stop me). But the same tone is just so far over the top, it sure would be a coincidence if they're not one and the same with multiple accounts. This one is worth watching.... |
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@swamperbob Canada is officially a bilingual country and the majority of people in Quebec are French speaking. That may account for why the seller might not appear to you to be English speaking. *************** Edit to add: A close encounter by another CCF member. My experience with a person with the exact same aggressively styled MO involved shill bidding. https://goccf.com/t/169860Edited by wildflowerAB
02/15/2016 8:38 pm
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Oh... a reply from him... unfortunately, I cannot share all of it here, the CCF bad word filter would overheat!! I did find one little comment in his reply worth sharing... Quote:I've been my self the first victim of [someone] who sold me those coins on ebay a few days ago. Sounds like Karma already emptied his wallet... and he is trying to do the same to someone else, but got caught...  "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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Pillar of the Community
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Sure, we'd all believe that. All his threats of legal action yet he wouldn't report the purchase of counterfeit coins directly to police? Sure. Maybe he should be reminded of ebay's return policy? Edited by wildflowerAB
02/15/2016 8:45 pm
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By the way, for the benefit of those reading this, both the 1945 and 1948 are from the Big Tree Coin Factory. They are also included on the Canadian counterfeit image CD-Rom Mike Marshall was selling. The files on that CD was the first place I looked after seeing this thread. http://www.ebay.ca/itm/-/161967960859Protect yourself with knowledge!! "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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