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I would like to know what kind of strike we can find in those small cases (blue/red) with nickel dollar done in the 70's?
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After 1967 and the end of the silver dollar, yes the mint began producing nickel dollars in single sets. The finish? According to Charlton guide, it was considered BU (brilliant uncirculated), the same as what was issued in Uncirculated Sets during that period. It goes on to explain the PL finish on silver sets was not easy to duplicate on nickel......although it's still commonly referred to PL today.
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And the specimen strike was kept for the year set with double penny?
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Yes, there were two different types of sets in the 70s that contained nickel dollars, both sets referred to as Specimen finish -- the 7 Coin Nickel Custom Set (double penny) or the Prestige Set (double dollar) .
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02/15/2016 6:57 pm
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The cased single nickel dollars are specimen strikes.
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Hmmmm not according to Charlton Volume 2. All the single nickel dollars 1968-1976 are listed as BU - MS-65 NC to MS-67 NC. Nothing more until 1982 the Constitution nickel dollar is indicated as specimen, then a nickel dollar in proof finish in 1984, the 450th anniversary of Jacques Cartier. That's opposed to the single silver dollars which are indeed indicated to have been issued as a Specimen strike.  Edited by wildflowerAB
02/15/2016 9:26 pm
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Charlton basically mines their information directly from RCM Reports. The cased single dollars are Specimen strikes. ICCS, CCCS, PCGS and NGC all certify them as specimen strikes. If you are unsure, grab a cased single dollar from any given year, and then cut out a PL dollar from a pliofilm set of the same year. Then hold them by their edges in your fingers and see (and feel) the difference. The rims and strike tell the tale... "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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I'll take your word for it but if Charlton obtains their information from RCM reports, I'm not understanding how their reports could be incorrect. Oh well, I've already come to the conclusion there's no actual standard for "Specimen strike" which at one time referred to "double struck". Another comparison would be between a nickel dollar from a Prestige set and a nickel cased dollar. They're exactly the same? |
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So SPP you're saying the only way to get MS NC in the 70s is by cutting them out of the pilo from PL sets? Prestige, Double penny and single cased nickel dollars are all specimen? I've actually been meaning to ask this very question because I thought they were specimen myself in the singles but colonialacres had them listed as PL.
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J and M considers them PL as well. I do have a few, they certainly don't appear what I would consider Specimen finish compared to that of the nickel dollar in Prestige sets. Seems an anomaly, it's either this and that.... $1 coins, Nickel The entire series, with the exception of 1987, was meant to circulate as daily money. However, the size of the coin and relatively low mintage made its circulation difficult, and many people took what few were in circulation as souvenirs. The mint responded to collector demands by issuing dates 1970 through 1976 with special collector boxes and proof like surfaces. https://www.jandm.com/script/getite...CID=5&PID=25 |
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Charlton used to call them: Quote:The cased specimen nickel dollar issued by the numismatic department of the Royal Canadian Mint has the same design as the circulating dollar, issued in a blue leatherette case, blue and black insert. --60th Edition. It was not until Charlton catalogues started parsing the Canadian coins into two volumes (and dealing with "Numismatic BU" and "BU" nomenclature) that the cased single nickel dollars were called "Brilliant Uncirculated"... You can call them whatever you want, and stick it in a catalogue... look at the coins themselves - the cased dollars are specimen-quality strikes. (Why else do you see so many 1970 ICCS graded specimen dollars, compared to the other denominations, which were only issued in VIP Specimen sets). Quote:
Another comparison would be between a nickel dollar from a Prestige set and a nickel cased dollar. They're exactly the same? Yes. And also the same as the single dollar specimen sets that the mint issued, such as this: http://www.colonialacres.com/produc...rike-through"Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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This coin, came out of a cased single blue clamshell. It is undoubtedly a specimen strike, the PL strikes for the same year (and even the PL #1 DY) do not have the same strike properties. http://www.PCGS.com/cert/32839428As I said - go get a black/maroon or blue cased single clamshell nickel dollar, take it out. Cut a PL dollar out from a pliofilm set. Study the two coins... look at the quality of the strike, lustre and finish, sharpness of the devices, the rim, the denticles, etc. They are not the same... Then, take a nickel dollar out of a Prestige set, and compare it to the other two coins - it will be exactly the same as the cased single dollar in all respects.
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The 1970 VIP Specimen set certainly appears exceptional. 321999467167I'll take your suggestion up SPP and maybe I've missing something because, honestly, my cased nickel dollars have never stood out as being anything exceptional, very appropriate to the typical $2.00 value. But just for interest sake, I'll post some comparisons of the 4 types within the next few days - circulation, cased, PL and Prestige. |
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A great discussion, as I had the same question in mind. I got a little lost in the middle, however, I believe I have it straight now. I look forward to up coming photos.
Thanks SPP for the excellent explanation!
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I'm happy to see I was not the only one with that question too!
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