1783 German States 1 Thaler Re-Strike

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jack316 Valued Member United States 392 Posts	Posted 02/20/2016 4:53 pm I just picked up this interesting 1 Thaler German States Re-strike from ebay. I submit it here hoping that someone might be able to point me in the right direction to learn about it. The total cost to me was around $25. I note that it appears to show Carolus on the obverse and the listing states that it's a re-strike. I'd like to know more about its being a re-strike. Does that mean it's counterfeit? Does that mean that the date (1783) is not correct? What's the significance of the "prancing pony" on the reverse? Any help or ideas to reveal this coins history would be appreciated. Thanks, in advance. Jack http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-Thaler-17...047675.l2557 Report this Post to the Staff

jdmern Pillar of the Community United States 1949 Posts	Posted 02/20/2016 6:46 pm Jack, It unfortunately appears that seller is simply selling modern numismatic forgeries (fake coins) Genuine examples of this Thaler go for many hundreds of dollars https://www.NGCcoin.com/price-guide...-duid-215211 Boardwalk Numismatics http://stores.ebay.com/jdmern/ https://boardwalknumismatics.com Report this Post to the Staff
jdmern Pillar of the Community United States 1949 Posts	Posted 02/20/2016 6:48 pm P.S. Off the top of my head, I believe the 'Prancing Pony' is actually the 'Saxon Steed'... The individual histories of each German State/Kingdom/Municipality/Duchy is fascinating... Boardwalk Numismatics http://stores.ebay.com/jdmern/ https://boardwalknumismatics.com Report this Post to the Staff
jack316 Valued Member United States 392 Posts	Posted 02/20/2016 9:15 pm JD - Thank you so much for taking the time to help me out. I know that there are authentic re-strikes (like the Maria Theresa thaler), but I had a bad feeling about this coin. I actually told myself "this can't be right", and then completely ignored my own best advice . I wrote to the Seller and asked him to explain why most of his listings are "re-strikes.' But, of course he hasn't answered. Rather than go through the craziness of returning the coin for refund, I'll probably keep it to remind myself to think before jumping. I am starting to feel like the Seller should be reported if he's selling fakes and calling them re-strikes. That's supposed to be against ebay policy. I have done that before but ebay pretty much ignores my reporting. Thanks again. God bless you for your kindness. Jack Report this Post to the Staff
swamperbob Pillar of the Community United States 5362 Posts	Posted 02/21/2016 11:54 pm jack313 Sorry to hear you bought one of the numerous ebay forgeries. I wrote to simply advise you to look at other threads on the form to learn more about how ebay actually handles counterfeits and forgeries. I posted the topic below with some current statistics on fraudulent ebay listings. https://goccf.com/t/253965 Report this Post to the Staff
jack316 Valued Member United States 392 Posts	Posted 02/22/2016 12:36 pm Swamperbob - I was hoping you might see my post. I really appreciate all you do with regard to phony ebay listings. It's entirely my fault. I saw it, even smelled it, AND STILL, I stepped in it! "There are none so blind as those who will not see." Thanks for the reference, I'm heading over there as soon as I finish this post. Best regards, Jack PS - The Seller (of course) never replied to my question about re-strikes vs. copies. Report this Post to the Staff
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