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Bavaria 3 Mark Pattern

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Found this laying in a coin shop in Wisconsin the other day and bought it without knowing too much about it. I have been trying to find out the number minted but I cannot seem to find anyplace that lists that info. Also there seems to be a silver version and maybe also a silver plated bronze version. Does anyone have some method of telling the difference between the 2?

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 Posted 02/21/2016  4:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting, this coin isn't listed in my Krause, but I found several copper and silver examples sold online by German coin shops. Universally, the "U" of LUDWIG III seems much weaker in those examples than in yours (not sure if that means anything like yours is a fake--it is just my observation). In terms of mass, the silver ones are listed as 33 g while the copper ones are listed at 12 g. What does yours weigh?
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This is a Karl Goetz medal/pattern.

It is Schaaf 52/G1

It's listed in "Die Proben der Deutschen Muenzen" by Rudolf Schaaf with the following info:

52/G1 3 Mark 1913
Obverse: Ludwig facing left
Reverse: Eagle next to Eagle Shield
Rim: Smooth
Made by Karl Goetz in Bavaria.
Relatively common [for a pattern]
Silver (.885 fine) 33.3 mm diameter, 2.2 mm thick
13.3 g with proof surfaces


It's hard to tell from your photos, but yours might be below average condition for these types of coins. The copper version appears to be pure copper and not silver plated copper. They should be easy to tell apart. http://coins.ha.com/itm/bavaria/wor...a/280-6225.s The heritage auction history does have an example that appears to be silvered copper, but that is likely the exception. Since these weren't patterns for actual coins, there's always the chance that they made some different stuff and there is rarely much by way of mintage records.

Karl Goetz is a very famous maker of medals. They come up at auction often and there is tons of information out there about his work if you look around for it. You'll even see articles in The Numismatist about him.
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I love that pattern along with most of Goetz's patterns from that era. The treatment of the eagles is very dramatic. I usually bid on them every time I spot them.

Goetz's medals use several different methods of lettering. On the pattern in question the lettering is done using a very distinctive method totally unlike that of the typical mint. If you can get a CLEAR large photo of the denomination the method will confirm if you have one of the Goetz items.

There are numismatic forgeries of this pattern on the market that are very deceptive. They originate in eastern Europe - not China.
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