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 Posted 02/21/2016  11:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Misrepresenting item location is a no-no on ebay.
Click on report item.
Choose listing practices.
Then choose other listing practices
Lastly choose item location misrepresentation.

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Policy overview

Sellers must be clear and accurate about the location their item will be shipped or picked up from. We don't allow false, inaccurate, vague, or misleading information about the location of an item in the Item location field or description. When listing items for sale, sellers are expected to provide the city, province, and country of their item so shipping charges and delivery times can be accurately calculated and communicated to buyers.
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 Posted 02/21/2016  11:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thrustie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"One should be careful about criticizing others when you never really know what the true facts are."


Couldn't have said it better myself SmallCent. Being a Vet with PTSD, I deal with people all the time that pass judgement with no clue.
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 Posted 02/21/2016  11:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Smallcentguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Please.....are we now in essence accusing someone of fraud or misrepresentation because they ticked USPS as a shipping option on an ebay screen when maybe they should have ticked other? Or maybe they take their items for US shipment across the border and use USPS. There are lots of possibilities that are more likely than the harshly negative things that are assumed by a few posts here.

Before jumping to the conclusion that there has been fraud or misrepresentation and before you have made such a major case of all this, wouldn't it have been better to have sent the seller the simple question of whether the coins were coming from outside Canada and, if so, asking for them to cancel the purchase?



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 Posted 02/21/2016  11:48 am  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Item location on ebay , can in some cases be two different locations. A couple of Dealers that we know deal in different states or have locations in both Canada or the US and keep items in different locations.Sort of like NAPA or Walmart online saying , item in Calgary, item in Portland.
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@ thrustle It appears if the last two digits of the trackable shipping code is "xxxxxxxUS", then indeed it was shipped through USPS from the States. Otherwise it's likely as Smallcentguy says, just a shipping selection issue.

If you've already been provided with a tracking number, either the USPS or CP website will indicate the shipping location.
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The OP said:
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I actually received a shipping notification already, that is when I realized the mess.
Why is there any doubt about which postal service is being used?
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Why is there any doubt about which postal service is being used?


Regardless, I'm unclear why this constitutes fraud. At the time an ebay buyer makes a purchase, the shipping arrangements are clearly disclosed, are they not?

Unless it was a "free shipping" arrangement, I suppose.
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 Posted 02/21/2016  12:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add doubleeagle59 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
First of all, sorry for the divergence of this thread into two parts - shipping and the CRA.

wildflower.....

Your calculations of Capital Gains are absolutely correct.

The crux of the matter is whether or not the CRA will look upon these sales as capital gains (LPP (listed personal property) in the CRA's government guidelines) or as a source of income.

As I've said before, if audited, I would wager the CRA would see these sales as a source of income rather than capital gains, mainly because they are auditing you to collect money, not to be your friend.
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 Posted 02/21/2016  12:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thrustie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am not implying that is what the seller intended to do, defraud, I am simply stating it would be grounds to refuse the package and cancel transaction without punishment through ebay is all.

Correct DBM, it is confirmed by tracking it is coming from the US.

SmallCent - the seller has already been contacted. It was the first thing I did, and all I plan to do until instructed by the seller either not to pick it up, or some other resolution. I am not sure how exactly you would expect me to have cancelled the order, or known about this prior to the package having been sent and tracking being added?

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According to ebay policy which I quoted previously you have grounds to refuse the package and renege on the transaction.
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 Posted 02/21/2016  12:23 pm  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Let's get down to the real issue here. The high dollar amount package was shipped from the US via post. The package almost assuredly will be intercepted by Canada Customs at the Mail processing plant and Taxed up for GST / HST purposes.As it should be. Creating a level playing field for honest Canadian businesses that are duty bound to assess and collect sales tax.
The OP Does not want to pay any ensuing taxes. Pretty sure that covers what's at play here.
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First of all, sorry for the divergence of this thread into two parts - shipping and the CRA.

wildflower.....

Your calculations of Capital Gains are absolutely correct.

The crux of the matter is whether or not the CRA will look upon these sales as capital gains (LPP (listed personal property) in the CRA's government guidelines) or as a source of income.

As I've said before, if audited, I would wager the CRA would see these sales as a source of income rather than capital gains, mainly because they are auditing you to collect money, not to be your friend.



Thanks! Yes, this thread has went two different directions but I thought the clarification is worthwhile. I'd suppose in the eyes of the CRA the difference would be determined by the length of time between the purchases and the sales plus the percentage of coins that's retained as opposed to being resold. I think for the average collector who might sell at most 10% of their total collection, the coins sold several years after their original purchase, those such as myself should not be unduly concerned that CRA would deem that a business. .
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 Posted 02/21/2016  1:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wildflowerAB to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Still trying to understand for my own sake and because I've found that the ebay buying experiences which others share here to be extremely valuable.

This is simply a random example:

Ebay-Shipping-Question

So Thrustie, in your instance, the seller is not complying whatsoever with the original shipping information that was contained in the listing?

If that's the case, I had no idea that could occur.
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For simplicity sake wildflower, lets presume the above example for item location. Ships to as Worldwide. Then shipping USPS?

Pac - I don't think there is anything wrong with wanting to purchase coins from individuals domestically (not dealers) and not pay HST. I do agree if an item is crossing the boarder taxes should be charged.
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Thanks for the info Thrustie, something I will watch out for in the future.

The "worldwide" reminded me of something I'd noticed in the past, wondering why a Canadian ebay seller, item in Canada, would ship Internationally to a Canadian buyer. Obviously then it's possible the item location may not be in Canada, contrary to the listing.

Random example:

Ebay-Shipping-Question
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