Russian Kopek 1711 Contemporary Counterfit?

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dohcollector Valued Member Belgium 464 Posts	Posted 02/22/2016 05:52 am hello guys so I am still going tru the collection to sort everything and I saw I marked a few coins. so I took it out and tryed to verify it again and I think I ran into a counterfit coin ,atleast for now I presume it is. its was labeld as a russian Kopek 1711 M A I'm not shure it is, because I can not locate the date. i compared against this https://www.NGCcoin.com/price-guide...60282-duid-0 so there is to many diffrences as you can c small thing I realy want to ask if this is a counterfit coin does it still have value as a contemporary counterfit and howmuch would that be. Report this Post to the Staff

Sap Moderator Australia 16837 Posts	Posted 02/22/2016 07:11 am The dates on these coins were written using "Russian numerals" which are a variety of Greek numerals, rather than Western-Arabic numerals (0,1,2,3,etc). This date is on the reverse (your top picture) and is the third line of the inscription. The date on your coin does indeed read "1711" (alpha-psi-iota-alpha, with the last two letters swapped around), the date on the coin used to illustrate the NGC page reads "1706" (alpha-psi-wau). Your coin seems genuine to me. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis Report this Post to the Staff
gxseries Pillar of the Community Australia 3831 Posts	Posted 02/22/2016 09:33 am You realize that it's double struck? Pretty neat. I believe it's genuine however may have been cleaned in the past. My partial coin collection http://www.omnicoin.com/collection/gxseries My numismatics articles and collection: http://www.gxseries.com/numis/numis_index.htm Regularly updated at least once a month. Report this Post to the Staff
dohcollector Valued Member Belgium 464 Posts	Posted 02/22/2016 1:12 pm i did't expect this coin to be genuine ,but I'm realy realy happy it is. althoug the many diffrencess with the link I posted was trowing me off a bit. and thx for the information about the numerals Sap,i realy was puzzeld by that too untill now hehe http://www.lib.umich.edu/files/coll...numbers2.gif @gxseries i did notice it but I was realy thinking this to be a bad and crude fake as you c the long lance the rider is holding, is only appearing once and I would expect it to be doubled? and also I appears to be clipped? Report this Post to the Staff
Spence Moderator United States 34423 Posts	Posted 02/22/2016 7:53 pm Clipping after leaving the mint seems unlikely to me. This shape is much more likely to be due to the strip being fed into the coining press a little too agressively. The circular hole from the previous coin overlapped with this one. Also, copper has rarely been worth enough that such coins were shaved for a little arbitrage. "If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb "The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz Report this Post to the Staff
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