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No Idea, Maybe Medieval Hammered Coinage ?

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purchased these in a job lot thought I would ask the experts!! need help regards dave

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 Posted 02/22/2016  7:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add davidc to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
left coin 3.3 g right coin 1.6 g
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 Posted 02/22/2016  8:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kefiroth to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Coin on left appears to be a French Double Tournois of Louis XIII, 1639.

Similar to the one shown here:
http://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces52797.html
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 Posted 02/22/2016  8:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numisma to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with Bob L. You can see the GAS on the obverse (circled). I rotated the picture to the correct orientation.

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 Posted 02/22/2016  8:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, I agree with Bob L a little more on this. There is a squared off letter "m" above the three fleur-de-lis that is diagnostic. That would make your coin a double tournois from 1639 minted in Dombes. Obv legend is "GASTON.VSV.F.DE.LA.SOV.DOM" and rev legend is "DOVBLE.TORNOIS.1639". You can see a bit of the date and if you rotate the obv pic by 180°, a little bit of the "VSV" is still legible. Interestingly, I don't see a 1639 listed in my Krause, but my edition is pretty old.


As far as the second coin goes, I'm thinking it is a jeton. See the below thread and if you squint, you'll see the imperial orb on one side and alternating fleur-de-lis and crowns on the other side.

: https://goccf.com/t/44840
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02/22/2016 9:03 pm
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 Posted 02/23/2016  04:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dohcollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
second is a nurmberg jeton
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 Posted 02/23/2016  07:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petrus to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Correct, right one is a Nurnberg counter token.
Here is some history:
http://www.ukdfd.co.uk/pages/nuremberg-jetons.html

Here is a SIMILAR one:
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jeton of Georg Schultes
IORG+SCHULTES+
Mitchiner, 1988: nos. 1309-1310
L.Forrer Medalist, volume5
SCHULTES, GEORG (Germ.). Counter-Manufacturer at Nuremberg, circ. 1550. Neumann, Beschreibung der bekanntesten Kupfermunzen. Prag, 1868, V, p. 403, describes seven counters, some of which are dated 1551, 1552, 1553, and 1556, on which the Engraver's name occurs in the following forms : IORG SCHVLTES SPENGLER ZU NORMBERGIGMA; IORG SHVLTES SPNGLER ; IORG : SCHVLDDS : IORG; IORG SCHVILTES and GEORG. SCHVLTES. IN NVRBERC.
Georg was possibly the father of Hans Schultes, and the founder of the Schultes Counter-Manufactory.

Corrections welcome

and another:
https://goccf.com/t/197158&SearchTerms=nurnberg
The legend on a lot of the Nurnberg tokens mimics medieval writing
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 Posted 02/23/2016  09:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numisma to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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some of which are dated 1551, 1552, 1553, and 1556

Your example looks like it's dated 1512, or is that 1 just a misshapen 5?
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 Posted 02/23/2016  11:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add davidc to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
too good every one thanks dave
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