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1516-1556 Santo Domingo 4 Maravedis?

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I picked up a lot of Spanish coins and can't place this coin.The closest I come to matching this coin is the Santo Domingo 4 Maravedis Charles?
Any help would be appreciated from the members.

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@Tommyjet, I think that you are on the right track, but to pin it down more conclusively, please post new pics with the coin not in the 2x2. I'd like to take a closer look at the three letters around the fortress on the obv. as well as try to make out the rim legends on the obv and rev. Also, please post the diameter of this coin--the diameter of the 4 maravedis is about 27 mm.
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spence thanks for the help. Deff 27mm as you can see from the ruler behind coin just past 2.5 cm.

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@Tommyjet, thanks for providing the better pics. As you probably know, coins of this basic design were used for a number of rulers in the late 1400s and into the mid 1500s. Some of the details that changed from one member of the royalty to the next include the shape of the scallops, the number of lines in the scallops, and the design of the fortress. The letters next to the fortress also vary a bunch--I'm pretty sure that sometimes they indicate the mint and at other times indicate the mintmaster.

On one hand, I'm pretty sure that I see a letter P and a letter S to the left and right, respectively, of the fortress. This could be part of an F-P-S inner legend, making your initial premise correct (and the exact attribution for your coin Clemente & Cayon #3027).

However, I'm not completely convinced that your coin comes from Carlos I because the scallops seem to be more pronounced on your coin. Also, it seems a little odd to me that the diameter is still 27 mm and yet so much of the outer legend is missing because the rim has been trimmed away or else the die was meant for a larger flan. Finally, it looks like the P is sideways, which seems odd.

I'm not questioning whether your coin is real or fake, but it does have some characteristics which are not that suggestive of a 4 maravedis of Carlos I. I've looked for a match of your coin starting with the Catholic Monarchs (Queen Isabella I and Kign Ferdinand II) and proceeding past Carlos I ending at Felipe III--and I don't find your exact coin. Perhaps you have a variant of C&C #3027. I am just not knowledgeable enough in this area to know how consistent the die cutters were in 1500s Spain...
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You are above and beyond more knowledgeable than I am.. You found more info in a half hr than I did in 3 weeks....lol I agree with the P and S but also could not find an exact match.
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no prob. glad to help!
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 Posted 12/14/2020  10:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Real Maravedi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Greetings, you have a 4 maravedis coin of the the Catholic monarchs Ferdinand and Isabella. It was minted in Seville Spain circa the 1550's under Charles I or Philip II. The letter P represents a popular Assayer of that period in history at the Seville mint which is represented by the letter S.
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You know this post is 4 years old, right?
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A little late to the dance perhaps, but it is always nice to have an expert weigh in and fix my errors.
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