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Germany
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Obviously impaired with many pits on both obverse and reverse. However, a coin I never regretted buying. It has a very nice color and smooth surfaces in the areas that remain unaffected. I am myself not too sure how to grade it - and would greatly love to hear your opinions. BTW, it is an S-9, commonest 1793 Flowing Hair cent, R-2. Thanks in advance for all comments/opinions.    
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United States
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At that time getting planchets for coining was hard. I know even by 1811 the US was still importing them from England and they weren't very good (porous along with other problems). If that's the problem then your coin should grade without being labeled details/genuine, i.e., it has original surfaces. But that's going to take a pro to make the call.
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 Germany
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That is an interesting thought you have there, kanga, I hadn't thought about that but it does seem plausible. The good quality of the non-affected areas of the planchet do suggest it may have been pitted 'as-struck', and before leaving the mint. As you say, though, it would take an expert to determine/prove that.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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XF-40 sharpness, dark fields with lighter brown details, serious post strike pitting on obv mostly concentrated in the field behind the bust, similar pitting on the rev but more evenly distributed. Some minor rim/edge damage. Net VG-7.
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United States
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Yeah, that's one of those that could get a high (EF) Details grade, but as Conder points out, severe details netting it way down. But I'm with you, for the right price, I'd never regret buying that one either.
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At that time getting planchets for coining was hard. I know even by 1811 the US was still importing them from England and they weren't very good (porous along with other problems). If that's the problem then your coin should grade without being labeled details/genuine, i.e., it has original surfaces. But that's going to take a pro to make the call.
The good quality of the non-affected areas of the planchet do suggest it may have been pitted 'as-struck', and before leaving the mint.
Just something for you guys to consider: It is very true that the planchets were often of poor quality; however, when you see "selective corrosion" as on the first "S" of states, that and the "green" color of "active corrosion" inside the "hits" is a good indication that the coin is corroded. Also there are no "original" surfaces left on this coin. Note the thin black oxidation. Finally, when the Large cent collectors refer to a porous surface it is on a much more minute scale.
Also notice that the obverse rim has been repaired - especially at 9 O'clock(file marks).
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United States
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I believe it to be Very Fine Details. I think EF is overzealous on this coin. Its very original and pitting aside, a lovely coin.
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 United States
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Germanicvs - I always enjoy seeing the incredible coins in your collection and this is another beauty. The 1793 is missing in my large cent collection and perhaps I won't ever have one, but I can enjoy seeing yours. I'm not smart enough to grade it but see that it is so beautiful. Perhaps lady liberty had some teen age acne and it will go away in a few years? Ok, kidding but I love the coin and thanks for sharing. 
Member ANA and EAC "You got to lose to know how to win". Dream On by Aerosmith
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I'd welcome that coin into my book set any day of the week. The coin is in excellent condition,but I wouldn't call that corrosion.
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United States
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She's a Beauty. I guess it's the nature of the design, the hair looks wind blown, and the focal point is her face,- it appears to me, that the 'impairments' are swept away behind her and really don't interfere with what catches my eye. The right 65% of the obverse is the 'look at me' part. Same with the reverse, just so much of the eye pleasing stands out. I'm sure the color of your coin helped that a lot, just a great looker.
Edited by Precious Mental 03/08/2016 8:51 pm
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United States
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I agree with everyone's posts: This is a glorious coin! Amazing detail with pits in the copper due to, but I agree with Kanga, the inferior quality of the copper the USA used at the time.
I'm not sure how the Professional Graders would grade this, but I, personally, would grade this coin VF-20.
I think the pits are from the original copper deficiency so I don't think this should be a "details" coin.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
5854 Posts |
I think this coin has EF details.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1655 Posts |
Wonderful piece of history - a highlight of any collection.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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[quote]She's a Beauty. I guess it's the nature of the design, the hair looks wind blown, and the focal point is her face,- it appears to me, that the 'impairments' are swept away behind her and really don't interfere with what catches my eye. The right 65% of the obverse is the 'look at me' part. Same with the reverse, just so much of the eye pleasing stands out. I'm sure the color of your coin helped that a lot, just a great looker./quote] [quote]XF-40 sharpness, dark fields with lighter brown details, serious post strike pitting on obv mostly concentrated in the field behind the bust, similar pitting on the rev but more evenly distributed. Some minor rim/edge damage. Net VG-7./quote]  I would love to have that coin! Bravo!
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Pillar of the Community
 Germany
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Thank you, everybody for your interesting comments. As mentioned, this coin is a bit of a puzzle: severely pitted, yes, but otherwise good surface quality (no corrosion or graininess) in areas where it is not pitted. PMD, or poor original planchet quality? I guess we will never know. Whatever the case, I agree with your assessment and grade her VF35 details, net VG8.
Edited by GERMANICVS 03/09/2016 1:11 pm
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