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Shekel Of Tyre (Year 162, Kp Mint)

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Hello everybody!

Recently I got my first shekel of Tyre. Looks like it was cleaned (brushed)around the eagle, horn silver, and used as a jewelry. Hope the coin is real :-)
Any thoughts...

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 Posted 03/13/2016  2:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It has an excellent reverse, but the obverse looks like it has been tooled to try and bring out the face,

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I wish the reverse on mine was as nice as yours.
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 Posted 03/13/2016  2:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kamnaskires to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ron, am I correct that yours is a Tyre issue of Antiochos VII Euergetes, with the king pictured on the obverse (as opposed to the Melqart obverses of the famous shekels)?
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Bob, It's actually Demetrios II Nicator, Year 128 BC. Sear 7105
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Ah, yes, I see it now...I'm comparing it to others I see online. Thanks for the clarification. Nice coin!
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Regardless of minor issues this is a coin almost everyone would like to include in their collection.
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Thank you for your time and interesting comments on the coin.
I got this coin from ebay for under $700 (hope got a good deal :-) The slab has a broken corner. I'm thinking about sending it to NGC for re-encapsulating and grading as well. In your opinion, what would be the grade? Does it pay to do, or just to leave it as is? I'm not planning to resell it.


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echizento:
I like the Tyre mint monogram on the coin. Your coin has a full size flan. Late issues of shekel have a smaller flan (hope I'm not mistaken).
Checked with my magnifier the obverse, I think tooling is not the case here. It's probably the way a picture was taken that brings up the face (especially the jaw).
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Yeah now that I see your new image I see the full detail. Very nice coin.
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Thank you echizento, I was looking for this coin for over a year (at the right price).
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Something about this coin troubles me a tad (but not its authenticity).

Does the reverse side of the slab give its weight? Could we see the flip side of the whole slab?

[Aside: Ron, your coin is a Late Seleucid tetradrachm minted at Tyre, but you aren't suggesting it is a shekel of Tyre, are you? There is a rather fundamental reason it is not. Do we need to discuss that?]
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No, I realize mine isn't a Shekel of Tyre. A bit early for that, but the reverse designs are similar. Feel free to enlighten us with the difference though.
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lrbguy:

Please, see below the reverse of the slab. Usually the weight of this coin would be on obverse side of the slab.I would like to know the weight too.The corner is chipped, however the slab is tight closed.

The obverse of this shekel looks like mine and I think has the same year ("PEB" - 162)
Please, change "PCGS" to not capital letters in the link below
http://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...GS-497961243

Interesting that they were slabbed for New York Mint (?):

http://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...e-1693581985

PCGS doesn't grade ancient coins. I'm curious what would be the grade if NGC would grade my coin.

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Large silvers from the mint at Tyre were identified as Hellenistic Greek tetradrachms whether produced under the Ptolemies or the Seleucids. However, with the decline of Demetrius II, who died 125BC, Tyre became autonomous. Its mint continued production of high grade silver coins (94%), in full and half denominations, dated by the civic year starting at "1" with the year autonomy commenced (apparently half way through the second year of Demetrius II (127/6). The OP coin in this thread is dated to year 162, which corresponds to year 43 AD.

Because of the quality of the silver in their tetradrachms, merchants and the priesthood in Jerusalem, which did not have the resources or autonomy for production of its own silver coins, were particularly attracted to the silver of Tyre, and adopted their tetradrachm for its preferred shekel for Temple transactions. The Tyrian didrachm was the only form of half shekel coin acceptable for payment of the half shekel temple tax. Coins specially minted for Jerusalem carry the "KP" monogram in the upper field just right of the eagle. It is by virtue of the connection to Jerusalem that these Tyrian tetradrachmae (as the Greeks still called them) came to be called Shekels of Tyre.

If the weight of the OP coin is in the range of 13 gm or more it is certainly a shekel. The half shekel weighs 6.5-7.2 gm or so. The reduced flan size on this coin makes me wonder if it might actually be a Jerusalem half shekel. More of the smaller unit have survived from the later range of production of the type, when this coin was struck. This is why I recommend that if you seriously intend to resubmit the coin, you would do well to crack it out before submitting and get an accurate weight on this coin and a direct measurement of its diameter. While you have it in its "raw" state, let me suggest that you also get photographs of it with a variety of angles of lighting on both sides. This will give you a good record that will be hard to do once it is encapsulated. At the very least, ask NGC to record weight and size of the coin.

Finally, if the weight of this coin is not in either of the proper ranges for the shekel or its half, then in view of the crack and the missing weight info you may need to question the originality of the slab. My hope is that this coin is in fact a shekel on a thick "dumpy" flan.
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I am thinking fake because PCGS doesn't grade ancients (slab perhaps) anyone else want to comment on that?
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PCGS # 134327204 comes back to a Shekel dated 126 BC-55 AD, and graded genuine 89 BU.
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