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 Posted 10/28/2005  2:16 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Metalman to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi everyone !!

I tried posting this coin in the error forum a week or so ago ,,I didnt get any opinions !!!

So I will try it here ,, I have sent a photo of this coin to coneca and received a response ,I will post a copy of that email after I have gotten a few opinions from my family here !!

What is beneath the 5 ?



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as usual my photos are not the best but they convey the point !!

(perhaps when I get the new digital camera my wife got me for christmas ,, that by the way I dont know about ,!!! LOL the pics will improve !!)

Thanks
Rick
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 Posted 10/28/2005  3:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Susanlynn9 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks like a "3" to me. I'm very curious to see what CONECA had to say.
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 Posted 10/28/2005  3:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add catman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks like a 5 over a 3 to me also.

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 Posted 10/28/2005  7:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ojo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree looks like a 5 over 3, possibly 5 over 8. I'm just wondering, how do you find these sorts of errors? lol There so hard see by the nacked eye!
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 Posted 10/28/2005  9:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gxseries to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
Originally posted by ojo

I agree looks like a 5 over 3, possibly 5 over 8. I'm just wondering, how do you find these sorts of errors? lol There so hard see by the nacked eye!



It's all by training ;)

8 over 7
Can-You-See-It-!!!

possibly 5 over 4
Can-You-See-It-!!!

Oops, forgot to add in what I believe it could be, I guess it's 5 over 3 too.
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10/28/2005 9:52 pm
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 Posted 10/28/2005  10:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgan Fred to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Rick, any speculation on how a 1945 Merc became overdated on a 1943? I can see a 45 die on top of a 44, but two years apart? Is this a recognized error and what does CONECA say?

C'mon, spill your guts; it's been long enough...

Fred
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 Posted 10/28/2005  10:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Becky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I wish I could fiqure it out....I even saved your pics on my hard drive and tried to see if I could determine if it was something common. I've been fooled quite a few times by pics, thinking that I see something that isn't there, especially with toned coins. Sometimes it's just toning......

I do wish you could get some clearer closeups, this is a very interesting coin. I hope that you can find someone who can look at it and tell you what going on with it. Can't wait to hear what it is
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 Posted 10/28/2005  11:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add doublv to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Somebody used an S instead of a 5, caught their mistake and punched in a 5?
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10/28/2005 11:50 pm
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 Posted 10/29/2005  01:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gxseries to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Metalman, will it be possible if you can take more pictures of the date from a different angle? I tried to play around with color contrast but as what the people suggest here, it doesn't seem to be dead clear.
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 Posted 10/29/2005  03:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry for not responding to the post earlier, but as most know I work a late swing shift,,

I can tell you in hand it looks more like an 8 even though when I fiest found it I also thought it was a 3,, I base this on the complete loop on the bottom, the outside to the left is visable in the loop of the 5,,

That is where things tend to get very interesting !! since the Merc series ended in 45 !!

There seems to be no way for a 5 over 8 overdate ,, although I can imagine a few different senarios where it could happen !!

Fred to answer your question, if the coin turns out to be a legitimate overdate it will be a new variety ,, As of this time I'm having a hard time getting any attention to the coin.

Here is What I received back from coneca, disappointing at the best !!

I would have thought with all of the different things that have happened or could happen at the US mint, they would have been a little more open minded,,

First response ,
Rick:

I can't tell much from the photo. True die doubling
will have split serifs in the digits. There are
several kinds of false doubling, but the most
prevailent on the Merc dimes is machine damage
doubling which is flat, shelf-like and close to the
field. True die doubling must have splits in the
serifs.

Thanks,

James Wiles

Its obvious to me that They did not spend anytime examining the photo.

I emailed them back with a further description of what I thought I was seeing on the coin !!

Second response !
Rick:

If it is too good to be true it probably is. The
chance of there being an 8 under the 5 is
non-existant. You are probably seeing metal flow
lines.

Thanks,

James Wiles

Now I'm really confused, because I'm sure that what I see is on the coin !!

I appreciate all of the responses, they have served to energise me to continue with the coin, I wont stop until its proven to be Metal flow as suggested by coneca US coin rep. James Wiles, or a true overdate and a new discovery !!

Rick

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 Posted 10/29/2005  03:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gxseries to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you believe it's a 8, it could be a 1938 die or so I guess. Not that suprising, there were a few countries that used dies that were even 10 years old.

Newer pictures please :)
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 Posted 10/29/2005  07:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I will try and post up some better pics this afternoon when I get back from work, 4 Hr turn around today !! but I have this one !

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Thanks
Rick

PS
with this photo, please look in the loop of the 9 and between the 9 and 4, It maybe from me looking at the pics so much, but there appears to be a vey faint 1 crossing the loop of the one and a very faint 9 between .

Thanks again for the comments !!
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10/29/2005 07:55 am
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 Posted 10/29/2005  08:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add thekidcollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A 3 under the 5
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 Posted 10/29/2005  09:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CiScO to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To me, and I am pretty well convienced, looks like a 5 over 8. Now the photo's have alot to be desired (no offense metalman obviously). My reasoning is simply that if you look closely between the gaps on the 5 you can barely see the circular circle of an 8.. If it were a 3, I believe you would not see that circle of the eight.
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 Posted 10/30/2005  2:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This thread seems to have died after I posted what Coneca's James had to say ?

Why is it so hard for people to believe their own eyes ?

Jame's first email spoke of strike douling and how to recognise real doubling ,, This coin was not in question on this subject !

His second email ,,without ever seeing the coin in hand and in my mind anyway without reviewing the pic, centered on impossibility and metal flow as what is being seen ,,

Even though metal flow cannot account for the outward curve within the loop of the 5.

as improbable as it may seem,is it only as impossible as a DDO of the 2004 peace medal nickle ?

Just tell me that there is nothing under the 5 and I will let it go !!!

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 Posted 10/30/2005  3:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Becky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
We can't tell you what it is, we don't have it in hand. Your pics are good, but just not close enough for us to really see what's going on. If you really love errors, then think about getting a tool to help you. I use a toy, a QX3, think about running to Toys-R-Us and picking one up. They don't make the QX3 anymore, but the QX5 does an even better job.

It takes wonderful pictures and is easy to use...

Can-You-See-It-!!!

I would LOVE to see a closeup of your Merc's date this big so we could try to help you.

If you want to send it to me to take the pics for you, I would love to, but that may be way out of your comfort zone. If I can help you in any way, just let me know.
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