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Pictures Of The Recently Discovered 2015 Counterfeit Proof Silver Eagle

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This fake has been reported in the numismatic press, but many of the photos I have seen have been disappointing. Last Tuesday night I gave a presentation of counterfeits to my local club, and one of the members brought in an example of this fake. He was one of the people who was involved with the discovery of it at the Lakeland, Florida coin show and other Florida locations. Here are my photos

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Two spots to note quickly: The lines around the stars in the blue section of the flag on the obverse are missing. On the reverse, there is no feather detail in the wings.

These things are sold in the ORIGINAL PACKAGE with the Certificate of Authenticity. These packaging materials can be obtained from genuine silver eagles that are cracked out of the capsule and sent to the TPGs for grading. The packaging is sold on the Internet.

So don't buy these coins without really looking at them. Just buying a heavy box is no indication that the coin is real. BTW these things contain no silver. They are made of Chinese junk metal, e.g. steel.
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The zombie face is the best instant pup aside the overall look for these imo
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 Posted 03/18/2016  10:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cjweber to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
according to reports, the easiest way to distinguish this counterfeit from the real ones is by the "Y" in LIBERTY... it is recognizably different there are other more subtle differences to go along with this but that one is a quick easy way to spot this fake...
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The lettering on the reverse is shorter and squattier looking. I think that the lack of detail in the eagle's wings is the easiest giveaway, but there are many when you really look at it.
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If they are steel, Then they should readily stick to a magnet. Just another way to check.
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How would you not catch this right away? Anyone who has owned a proof American eagle should be able to tell the difference, I could tell right away and I don't have allot of experience with them.
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You know a lot of newbies are buying ASE's. If they receive these counterfeits as the real McCoy's ,they just might lose interests in the hobby.
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As a newbie, I was interested in what to look for. As was said, the "zombie look" (the eye is different). Also, the lines by the stars on the obverse are all wrong. And the Y is shaped differently than on a legit coin. And the feather detail on the reverse is missing. I also saw that the serif on the 1 in the counterfeit is much larger than on a legitimate coin. The cap on Liberty is not as well defined on the counterfeit. And the spacing for the 5 in the date is wrong.

I was thinking about purchasing some just to sock away. I'm glad I saw this post.
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How would you not catch this right away? Anyone who has owned a proof American eagle should be able to tell the difference, I could tell right away and I don't have allot of experience with them.


A total newbie would have no way of catching this. The piece is packaged in the genuine mint boxes with the Cerficate of Authenticity.

Here is what you would see and show or a coin shop. Here is the government package and a slip of paper that says it's real.

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Every date of the fakes - every single one - all have a flat left foot. You don't need to look anywhere else. They all have that problem.
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nice ear on that fake
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moxking , I don't think a newbie buying that genuine mint package of ASE with COA would be looking at her left foot .
Just sayin ! but thanks for pointing that out for the rest of us .
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Even if it was real, I wouldn't have bought it due to the spots.
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How about If they offered it to you for half the issue price? Would you have bought it then, thinking you could flip it?
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No. Even if it was real, the spot would have killed the numismatic value. I don't think it would be worth half the issue price.
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Every date of the fakes - every single one - all have a flat left foot. You don't need to look anywhere else. They all have that problem.


Sorry to differ with you, but if this Chinese "woman of the town" has deformed left foot, it's news to me. She has other problems, like a big lump of metal to the right of "B" in "LIBERTY," but on the other end it looks like she's been to "The Good Feet Store."

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