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 Posted 03/30/2016  8:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add terry8835 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I bought a set of silver Washington quarters today minus the 32-D and 32-S because I have those coins already. That is actually 80 coins which is a little more than $3 something a coin. I just like buying silver coins.
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 Posted 03/31/2016  6:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I remember people saying the same thing about 500 years ago. They were wrong then too. Then I heard people saying something like this about 300 years ago and the were wrong then too. I suspect people that predict the future of coin collecting are the same ones that make our Weather forecast.
At times coins, cars, clocks, etc. have their values and prices going up and down and up and down. However, over large periods of time, most just go up and stay there.
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 Posted 03/31/2016  7:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BillbertGilbert to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I hope this doesn't stir any angry pots, but I noticed some comments about where to go to find the ACTUAL price of a coin, and frankly, I believe the best way to find an actual coins price is to do a search on ebay, but click the "Advanced Search" link first, and then click the "Sold Listings" check box. Your search will then only be sold listings, which I feel is the only way to gauge a coins actual value. But, I'm sure there are naysayers and pitchfork weilders who will say otherwise.
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 Posted 03/31/2016  7:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slider23 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ebay sold is one source to get the actual realized price and it is excellent on raw coins and low end coins. Heritage, PCGS Coin Facts, and NGC Explorer also have a good data base with the actual realized price for slab coins. I prefer to use NGC Explorer for slab coins.
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 Posted 03/31/2016  8:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add logantrky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great responses. Very informative.

I think there may be some series that decrease in interest due to the nostalgic factor "dying out" with a particular age group, as some have already noted. Conversely, there may be other series gaining more traction with younger collectors (Peace Dollars, Franklins, or Ikes?).

I don't have nearly the experience that some of the other posters, but this is what makes sense to me.
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 Posted 03/31/2016  9:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add terry8835 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Of course, the price of coins and everything else goes up and down and if you buy low and sell high you make money if that is your game. I am not saying coin collecting is dying I am just saying some prices seem softer than there were just a few years ago.
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 Posted 04/01/2016  12:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yelimsexa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This reminds me in a similar way to the stamp market. A few decades ago, stamp collecting was as popular as ever. Nowadays, except for a very small amount of rarities such as the Inverted Jenny, prices for most are a fraction of what they once were. This also applies to postcards and baseball cards for the same "nostalgic" reasons since the younger generation doesn't quite have the fond memories (though it seems like Comic Books are popular among Gen X and Millenials after a bit of a lull in the '90s).

That said, most coin collections are compact in storage and don't take up a lot of space. In terms of history, you could even associate more recent decades with their usage in many ways. For example, in the 1950s a single Franklin half dollar could have purchased a showing at the local movie theater to see the latest film in 3D or Cinemascope, a burger and fries (or shake) at a local diner such as the one on Happy Days, a blackberry pie, pecan clusters, five cans of Campbell's Tomato Soup, a couple gallons of gas, or ten records of early Rock 'n Roll music on the jukebox. The 1930s with dimes popularized by a famous song involving the depression, or even the 1900s Indian Head cent where you could purchase the daily paper, a piece of candy, or see a "moving picture" at the Nickelodeon with a V nickel (another series that has gone down in price despite being older).

That said, I find this to be a great buying opportunity for some of the popular late 19th/early 20th century coins since along as America exists, these coins will always represent a place in history and I'm sure there will be many completists (like myself that I aspire to be) who seek each coin, with quality coming next. I've recently been buying more coins over the past couple of years compared to the late 2000s/early 2010s when metals/popular prices were at their peak, especially as I've progressed with a higher income giving me more dispensable cash.

Also, there is the fact that most coins nowadays don't purchase much unless if you have a deep pocket full of them. With credit cards, electronic payment system, and cash used for necessary services that require a minimum of at least five bucks, most view coins as a product that has long outlived their usefulness. I haven't used a payphone in over a decade nor have I used a newsstand to purchase a paper and I could probably count the number of times on my hand that I've used the vending machine or parking meter to deposit coins. I just dump them in my bank's coin counter when I visit.

However, coins still have that intrinsic value that paper/plastic/bytes never could accomplish which is why I'll still collect them. Its so much better than owning stocks which are all-electronic nowadays and are even more volatile than coins.

The earliest example of this downtrend in these "popular" products were the modern (post-1964) proof sets. I recently purchased several from the '80s/'90s at a coin show for just three bucks each, and a good example of this is the 1999 Proof Set. Back in the early 2000s, it would frequently sell for $100 or more, and nowadays, the barely sell for around $10 on ebay when sold, and the entire 2000s (plus 1999) for around $100. The 1995 Prestige Proof Set nowadays can often be had for less (around $50) than what the regular clad set sold for in the late '90s/early '00s (around $75, which sadly today is worth around a tenth of that value, and less if your factor inflation). I purchased a 1995-S for around $35 bucks around 2003 because I thought it was a great deal, only to discover that it was in the stages of a steep decline in value. That said, I feel that once the value of a coin or set gets so low, I feel that the risk factor diminishes since there is less of an opportunity for a decline in prices. Late 1960s-2000s Proof Sets are in the ultimate buyer's market; they may not go up much in value immediately, but these still represent the finest quality of coins minted and of course can be used to represent a time in history (Hippies/protest marches, disco, Reaganomics, the Internet boom, and the War against Terror and Iraq). As always, time will only tell with the value of coins in the future and just like stocks, its all speculation and never a conclusion.
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I came across this "Rare Coin Values Index" a few years ago, and the logic behind it seems a reasonable way of keeping track of the current rare coin market:

http://www.us-coin-values-advisor.c...s-index.html

Has anyone seen this before?
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This reminds me in a similar way to the stamp market. A few decades ago, stamp collecting was as popular as ever. Nowadays, except for a very small amount of rarities such as the Inverted Jenny, prices for most are a fraction of what they once were. This also applies to postcards and baseball cards for the same "nostalgic" reasons since the younger generation doesn't quite have the fond memories (though it seems like Comic Books are popular among Gen X and Millenials after a bit of a lull in the '90s).

Stamps, sporting cards, Hot Wheels, etc. died or are dying due to constantly producing more and more of them. Why collect something that someone is making millions and millions of them and of no value. Notice no one is making Indian Head cents anymore.
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 Posted 04/01/2016  6:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BuckeyeCoinGuy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Stamps, sporting cards, Hot Wheels, etc. died or are dying due to constantly producing more and more of them. Why collect something that someone is making millions and millions of them and of no value. Notice no one is making Indian Head cents anymore.


Same argument that is made for land. Buy land, they aren't making anymore.

Sadly land is taxed so you can never really own land. Like a frosty cold fermented beverage, you can only rent it.

Coins are better than land in that they are portable and harder for the government to tax.

Another interesting dynamic here is the value of the currency. As you said, when you make more and more of something, like dollars, they will lose value over time. Things priced in them will generally adjust.

Real assets like gold and silver should adjust but collector premium, maybe maybe not. Collector premium would be more of a supply and demand thing than anything.

I really think there will always be high demand for high quality rare / conditionally rare coins.

I can see the dynamics though for the middle class less than premium grade rare coins being negative.

You have a baby boom bubble that will liquidate their collections either dead or alive and the next generations coming up aren't as large in numbers or wealth. Should be much more supply than demand just off the demographics in the American market.

The high end may outperform, but the rest of the market is a metals play more than anything else with these demographics. Metals pricing is the floor price of the market and always will be.
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Stamps, sporting cards, Hot Wheels, etc. died or are dying due to constantly producing more and more of them. Why collect something that someone is making millions and millions of them and of no value. Notice no one is making Indian Head cents anymore.

They are not making vintage collectible stamps anymore.
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About 18 months ago I bought some gold mining stocks because I thought they just could not go any lower. They went lower. Much lower!!I sold them and took my loses. I would buy the physical asset as in gold coins and silver coins. From the perspective of an investor they are a form of insurance. They don't pay interest and you must securely store them, but if the &^%$ hits the fan you will have something that will actually buy goods and services. In this case the smaller coins of lessor value are best. Junk silver and quarter eagles or one dollar gold bullion coins are the best insurance against economic meltdown. If the present currency were grossly debased gold and silver would shine. So you can indulge your collecting and create an insurance policy. I can see people cutting big gold coins into pieces and selling them that way. I bet they did that in Germany in 20's and 30's during hyper-inflation. If the stock and housing markets ever do really recover and go into strong bull markets precious metals should fall even farther down the scale. No market grows to the sky, not trees or stocks or fancy homes. If gold returns to 50 year inflation adjusted price ($800) I would be a buyer of gold coins. Prices of things tend to revert to the mean which in gold and silver has been on an incline for years. Price has moved all around the mean but the trend is there if you just look.
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