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2015 Neb Quarter Crack/Chips/Depressions - Proper ID

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I am trying to learn how to determine the differences between Die Crack vs. Pre Die Depression
Chip vs. IDB vs Gouges.

Do I have these labeled properly?

Thank you for your time.



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03/25/2016 04:27 am
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Looks good to me. Only thing, the top of the roof might be considered a small die gouge/break but that's semantics.
(I've seen you write gauge instead of gouge on another post before).

Nice double die reverse :D

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Thank you, I appreciate the spelling correction as well. Not actually use to typing "gouge", I called them die chips up until recently.

I went looking for that 2009 that you mentioned (I have a stash of at least 100 with various notes of things that may be wrong on each of them - pretty funny notes as I look at them now) and well these are mostly from around November December when I frist started and knew absolutely ZERO. But this was one of them.

It is not listed on Wexlers and they already have about 130 listings - have been debating on sending it in for a listing.

I know I am learning at least a little more now, I didn't even know about Pre die crack depressions and gouges at that time, so when I looked at it tonight I was happily surprised to see them.


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Looks like: 2015-P 25¢ NE WDDR-046
http://www.doubleddie.com/1467540.html

Notice the left window doubling is the same and the right window has that small doubling in the bottom right corner as well.

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On the die crack notation, there is also a couple chips there as well. (the die crack is now missing die material and the die is now showing missing die material, showing a higher pair of marks on the coin)
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Thank you, so if I am understanding this first I have die depression,then then the die crack and then the crack with chips - (sounds like I am ordering dinner)

On the Die Chip or IDB under the top winder though - the only difference between the die chip and the IDB is that the IDB is larger - correct?

I did look at the one you mentioned Blue - and the window doubling matches but mine has a lot more going on with it - So again if I am learning correctly then you match the variety/error (DD) and then rest of what is going on comes from the Die stage - so mine is the -046 but a later die stage? So it is not necessary then to have everything matching, especially since mine has a lot more wrong with it. I have noticed the wexlers attributions and he details stage a, b , b etc. so now I think I understand how this comes to be. Quite a learning process.

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I appreciated the idea of the pre-die crack/break.
Crack only shows as a raised line on the coin from a crack that is incuse on the die.
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A die chip is when a small piece falls off the die, leaving a void on the die, a raised area on a coin.
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A die break is when part of the die breaks off or splits off the die. This can see a small or large break, but short of the split die phase or Cud stage:
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Then the Retained Cuds, split dies and Cuds. Each a progressive step.
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 Posted 03/25/2016  7:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinCents to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Excellent Thank You coop.
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I did look at the one you mentioned Blue - and the window doubling matches but mine has a lot more going on with it - So again if I am learning correctly then you match the variety/error (DD) and then rest of what is going on comes from the Die stage - so mine is the -046 but a later die stage? So it is not necessary then to have everything matching, especially since mine has a lot more wrong with it. I have noticed the wexlers attributions and he details stage a, b , b etc. so now I think I understand how this comes to be. Quite a learning process.


Yes CoinCents, your die state appears to be much later than what is listed. The die has a lot of pressure going into it, over time the parts wear down and break/crack etc. The coins first struck might not have many die markers, then they get more and more over time. Some markers may be removed through die cleaning.

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Thank goodness I am finally starting to understand - just like working on a puzzle and I love puzzles.

Thanks for all your help and finding the listing on Wexlers.
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