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Belgium
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My last new Roman denarius of Septimius Severus ; obv : L SEPT SEV PE(?)R T AUG {IMP II} : laureate head right rev : FORT REDUC : Fortuna standing left holding cornucopiae in each hand 2.8 gr , 16.5 mm , Laodicea mint . very rare . I bought the coin from a very well know German seller . The coin is apparently unpublished ; I found two similar coins with the same mention - apparently unpublished - in the auction of Triton VI ,lot 955 of 1/13/2003 and in Pecunem 34,lot 966 of 8/9/2015 . The coin in the Triton sale was mentioned : from the Marc Melcher Collection . By the 2 coins , there are anomalies in the inscription .albert   |
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very nice!
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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United States
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Congratulations on snagging a rarity, Albert!  |
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United States
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United Kingdom
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It is a nice coin but I disagree with your attribution a little I am afraid. I specialise in these eastern denarii and must inform you that your coin is an IMP VIII "Laodicea" rather than the earlier IMP II. I can prove this by providing an obverse die match to a coin from my collection with a different reverse type but with a more legible obverse legend. And before anyone implies that this is an IMP VII (which doesn't really exist on these eastern coins it is IMP VIII  There are IMP VIII varieties of your coin as follows:- Septimius Severus denarius. Obv:- L SEP SEV PERET AVG IMP VIII, Laureate head right Rev:- FORT REDVC, Fortuna standing left holding cornucopiae in each hand Minted in Laodicea-ad-Mare. A.D. 194 Reference:- RIC 477a (R2 citing Reyka Denvia). BMCRE page 112 also citing RD. Though I think the rarity might be a little overstated. Here are some of my IMP VIII examples:-    You are correct in that IMP II examples do exist and they are unlisted and slightly scarcer. Here are some of mine L SEPT SEV P-ERET AVG IMP I-I, FORT R-D-EVC   L SEP SEV PERT AVG IMP II, FORT R-E-DVC  Regards, Martin |
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 Belgium
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Thanks Martin , I contact my seller in Germany . albert
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United States
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Allow me to include my specimen (supposedly also from Laodicea) here for comparison, even though I'd previously posted it in another thread, where its authenticity was questioned owing to some elements of its design.   Colligo ergo sum
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Lucky Cuss, Your is also allocated Laodicea as you say. The mint allocation is still under some debate, The IMP VIII output of these eastern mints is split into two phases called early and late. The early output like mine above is of a different style and the later IMP VIII aliggns more with the types and output of Rome. It is thought that the earlier coins were produced while Septimiue Severus was battling in the east and the later styles were produced after his return to Rome. Perhaps the engracers had been to Rome for training in engraving. Yours looks like a nice classic example of the type which varies in style. Here are three of mine for comparison.    |
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United States
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Very nice looking and hard to find addition to your collection. Nice to also see all the other examples.
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Belgium
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if I understand it well , my coin is an example of the type which varies in style , so an early output of the imp VIII coins . Hereby the two sales I have mentioned earlier . The style is in my opinion the same . Controlling the data of the seller , I did not check on the reverse inscription , but only on the first reference (Triton) he gave and on the second I remenbered me having seen in the Pecunem sale . My question is : what to answer if he is taking the style as an argument for his identification ? Your first coin (moneta aug reverse) seems to have the mention IMP VII , why it has to be then an IMP VIII , even when this title is unknow on eastern coins ? I have the same problem with 2 of the 3 IMP II coins where I read IMP I . I know I have a lot of questions , but these coins are not very well known by me. In any case , many thanks to mention the problem with the coin .I am waiting for an answer of the seller , wich I will communicate here.albert  |
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United Kingdom
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The style is correct for am IMP Laodicea as is demonstrated by my MONETA example which is a direct die obverse match and clearly not IMP II. I have made an extensive study of these early Laodicea coins. I believe that all coins attributes as IMP ate IMP-II, alll IMP I are in fact IMP I-I. SImilarly for IMP VI and IMP VII which are both IMP VIII. I have a variety examples of coins with these legend breaks. Usually coins that are attributed as IMP, IMP I, IMP VI or IMP VII do not have the remainder of the legend on flan or are worn.
When you study the IMP series closely you will spot that there is quite a difference in style between the IMP II and the IMP VIII issues and I can normally tell them apart without seeing the full legend.
Regards,
Martin
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