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I am looking of advise on 1992 Confederation loon style dollar. In Charlton catalog it does not show a NC (or old PL) designation for this coin only the regular loon. On Coins and Canada website it lists a PL for both of them. I can't find 2 PL or uncirculated sets from the mint in 1992.
Does anyone know if an NC Confederation reverse exists?
Thank you
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I believe the only sets these came in were the Canada 125 sets, and they were circulation strikes.
The thing I find most perplexing about these is that ICCS has slabbed some as "Confederation" and others as "Celebration"
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
Edited by DBM
03/27/2016 10:06 pm
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I think DBM is correct, only two types of strikes, circulation or proof. The loonie in the map set was a circulation strike and no PL (uncirculated) sets of the 125th anniversary of confederation were issued. For whatever reason, Coins and Canadais is not always reliable in referencing various loonie (and toonie) finishes and I found Charlton to be far more accurate overall.
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I have to disagree on this one. The 1992 Confederation "Loon" Dollar is available in "PL"/"MS-NC". The map sets put together and issued by the mint have this finish. Buyer beware: there are probably quite a few home-made map sets out there that consist of circulation coins.
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Here is my 1992 Uncirculated Set. The 2013 Coins of Canada by Haxby and Willey note 218,000 Uncirculated Sets for 1992, Issue price $9.50 and Value $16.00.    Edited by SilverDon
03/28/2016 08:10 am
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SilverDon your set has the regular type loon. Quatchi I notice Colonial Acres lists the Map Set as PL as well, both loon and 25c, so you could be right. http://www.colonialacres.com/produc...al-rcm-issueI have that set, I know was ordered directly from the mint but assumed it was MS. I'm curious now, when I find it I'll take a closer look. (Interesting to reflect on how minimal celebration by RCM was directed toward Canada's 125th anniversary, as opposed to what's in store for the 150th) Edit to add: That was easy, I was wrong. My confederation loonie from the nickel map set indeed appears PL because of the wider rim/border, especially noticeable in the corner areas at each of the 11-sided points. Charlton records the map set in Vol2 in the 25c section but references to the proof page for the loonie. It definitely isn't proof because it's BU, no frosting whatsoever. Edited by wildflowerAB
03/28/2016 11:26 am
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Thanks everyone I appreciate the input
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For all those who believe these exist in PL/NBU please post one here slabbed by your choice of ICCS, CCCS, PCGS or NGC. Better yet send one in for grading from a genuine 125 map set and post the results here. Until someone can post a certified example they don't exist. Why? Because the loon in the set posted by SilverDon is the only type issued as PL/NBU in 1992 and will be certified as such by all four TPG's mentioned. "Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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03/29/2016 06:36 am
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I just had a quick look at mine to be sure. It is absolutely without a doubt PL/MS-NC/Numismatic BU. Although a quick Google and ebay search turned up none of these in a slab, I can assure you, the finish on the original Confederation Loon Dollar that came in the RCM issued map set is in fact PL/MS-NC/Numismatic BU. Also, note that there are plenty of certified 1992 commemorative 25 Cent coins in PL/MS-NC/Numismatic BU to go around which came from the same set... |
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Show me a PL/NBU Confederation dollar in a slab.
Why do think they are not listed in Charltons?
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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I don't have one in a slab and I don't need to have one put in a slab to prove its existence to you, the coin exists. I, and WildflowerAB have the coin to prove it. The omission of this coin in the Charlton catalog is an error (not the only finish omission/error). Look at the coin, not the holder.
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It is not a catalog error.
Unless and until one or more is certified, they don't exist.
I surrender.
Let this forum devolve into a great source of misinformation.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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Edited by wildflowerAB
03/30/2016 10:20 am
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Dbm Most certainly there are pl strikes of this issue. used to have a map set with one in there. It's was not a business strike. Mirror finish like on all pl loons of the day.
the business issues are really nice but have striations in fields like on the prov quarters. Please don't say I'm spreading misinformation, they do in my opinion exist, I would never grade one, because no one likely cares about paying enough money for them.
Edited by Alan
03/30/2016 2:51 pm
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I notice there are more than one type of map sets. The most colourful, the one I linked from CA was definately sold directly from RCM with the coins included. But I also notice solid black and solid white ones listed on ebay. Is it possible that either of those two types were sold empty, much like collector cards, to be filled with coins taken from circulation? If so, that may be the cause of confusion. DBM if you're interested I'll post my PL confederation loonie, the thicker rim typical of PL is very evident in comparison to that of MS circulation strikes. |
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