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White Film On Washington Quarters From Mint Sets

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Hi folks - this is my first post on the forum. :-)

I received a bunch of Wash. 25c pieces today from a dealer on ebay, all modern clads in mint cellophane, just to fill up spots in my Whitman album. Most of them are nice, but a few of them seem to have a white film on the obverse and are clean on the reverse. What is this? Is it PVC residue? One of the cellophanes was not sealed, the other two still seemed intact. Including a picture here with one quarter on the left with the film on it, another one on the right that is 'clean' so they can be compared. Thanks for any help you can give on this.



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The mint sets have a PVC liner on the inside. It's very common that one side is affected and a little more common to be the obverse than the reverse. It's often both sides.

About 70% of them can be fixed by a soak in 91% alcohol and a little acetone. Acetone isn't important but it is critical not to introduce water. Let soak for three days, rinse in warm water, and gently pat dry. The worst dates are '69, '71, and '68. If one soak doesn't work you can try a second or even a third. After that the coin starts to degrade no matter how careful you are.

This is going to be a rapidly growing problem because the longer they are affected the lower the success rate.
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These look like coins that *may* have been in mint sets for most of their lives... Just guessing, but maybe the side that is all milky is the side that was facing up in the mint cello?
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Hello folks - yes, the one on the right was removed from a mint set for the first time just a couple of hours ago. So, I was correct about the PVC film hunch.

I've got the acetone, so time to give them a bath.

What are your feelings about dealers that pass these on through ebay? I received an 18 coin set of all the 1970s business strikes in original mint cellophane. While technically it's honest that they are original mint wrapped coins, I feel it's a bit dishonest for a dealer to send them off when they so obviously have PVC film on them.
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Thanks so much! Yes, the coin on the left was pulled out of a mint set for the first time today.

Time for an acetone bath...

If they are advertised as "in original mint cellophane", but then come in this condition, do you consider that a bit dishonest? Seems a bit dodgy to me to sell them when they so obviously have PVC residue on them.
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A lot of people may not even notice it. People didn't really look at these coins in 1971 and they're barely looking at them now.
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I guess that's a fair point. For what I paid for them ($12 for 18 coins) I can hardly say I've broken the bank on them. Really, my main focus is on putting together a very nice set of the silver Washington quarters, but decided to go ahead and get all the clads as well in order to have the full run.

Hopefully the PVC will just come off in the bath. I guess I just don't want to have to bother with hunting down another '70, '70-d, and '71 quarter in BU.
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Good luck with giving your quarters a bath. There are so few 1970's quarters that are worth much unless they are in gem grade or above that they are often only given the barest look from dealers with deep stocks of them. Sometimes it's actually better to buy the complete mint sets at a show.
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Thanks everybody! Yes, soaking them in the acetone solution overnight seems to have worked a charm on them. Nice and clean and album-worthy now.

I'm guessing the acetone I used cost about as much as the coins. :-)

I ordered up all the 60's through 90s quarters last week from a few vendors so I could just fill in all those slots in my Whitman album. I'm hoping the 68s and 69s don't come with the PVC on them as well.

Is anybody else working a Washington quarter set now? I've got almost all the 60s silver, more than half the 50s silver, and a fair amount of the 40s, all in gem BU. It's going to take me a long time to finish it out as the keys in the series certainly aren't cheap, and I want to make sure that every piece in the collection is minimum AU-55.
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If you're doing the old ones in Gem then why not the newer ones as well?

Right now most of the newer Gems can be had for less than a dollar but if demand ever materializes they are going to get expensive because they are scarcer than the old ones.

The '71-D is a nice chBU but this coin is pretty common in Gem with about 3% of mint set coins being Gems.
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Well, I'm interested in getting some of the scarcer pieces in gem. The '83s, for example, sell at quite a premium in gem condition, and so I'll definitely try to acquire them in that state. For the most part I'm a silver collector and just want the uncirculated clads and clad silvers so that the whole set is complete. Ultimately the money I would spend for MS-65s or MS-66s for the clads I would rather sack away and spend on BU silver. :-)
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So I received yet another set of clad Washingtons that I ordered on ebay for my set. I ordered the '65, '66, '67 SMS issues, the '68 and '69 proof issues (s), and the '69 p&d in original mint cello. I also got a '52 gem BU Franklin half. All coins are gorgeous, as described, and the seller included a 2015-s homestead nat'l monument quarter in gem BU condition as a bonus, very nice. The only problem is that the '69s are both coated in film on both the obverse and reverse.

This particular vendor included a slip of paper in the mylar flip the two '69s came in re: "mint set film". This is an explicit recognition that the coins are covered in the film, but it says to dip the coins in "sudsy ammonia" for just a few seconds and then immediately wash them with warm water, and voila, no coin film.

Has anybody tried this method? Now I have to run out and buy some ammonia, which I reckon will cost more than the two coins did. Vendor is forgiven for honesty, effort, and a nice little bonus item, however I wish this problem was identified before sale.

I'm getting back into collecting after a decade and a half of living overseas, and I'm much more serious now than when I was younger. I guess this is all part of the learning process, and turns out that starting off with more common coins so that my mistakes are affordable ones was a good decision!
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This particular vendor included a slip of paper in the mylar flip the two '69s came in re: "mint set film". This is an explicit recognition that the coins are covered in the film, but it says to dip the coins in "sudsy ammonia" for just a few seconds and then immediately wash them with warm water, and voila, no coin film.


Wow! Thanks for the tip. I will try it.
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Well, if you are going to try that then I would like to add that I've looked up a bit more information on using ammonia, and apparently it's pretty harsh stuff on coins. It can remove verdegris from copper but can also completely destroy the patina if the coin is left too long.

The good thing is, one of the metals it IS recommended for use with is nickel. So, I would say that these nickel clad coins (or any nickel 5 cent pieces) would be alright, but I would go dipping silver or copper in it. I'm waiting for somebody to come back from the store with some ammonia for me, so I'll let you know how the bath works out.

I still don't have the '68 p&d in my collection yet - looks like I'm going to be searching those out in gem BU condition and NOT in original mint cello.
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Okay, so... wow. 'sudsy ammonia' - take 2/3 of a cup of water, add 1/3 cup of ammonia (always add ammonia after water) squirt in a small amount of dish soap. Stir carefully. Using a pair of tongs, hold coin by the edge, put it in the solution, slosh it back and forth for 2 or 3 seconds, remove, immediately immerse in warm, clean water, then remove and very gently pat dry with soft cotton cloth. BAM. Mint set scum completely removed! I had several early 70s proofs that looked filmy as well, I did this with them and they are gorgeous, spotless, filmless. With these clad coins that have mint set haze/film, this sudsy ammonia bath seems to work miracles.
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