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1880-S Morgan Dollar For Grading (Redfield)

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i think its a solid 64 and the toning has great eye appeal. nice pickup
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Looks like a solid 64.
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Later in the distribution of the Redfield Collection, paramount added the MS-63 grade to the NEW MS grading they started to use on the Redfield coins. The official ANA MS grading guide was still about 6 years in the future. Paramount also used this new style Redfield Slab for their own coins as the slabs were selling very well. If the holder states, U.S. Silver Dollar it's a paramount coin. If the holder states, A Silver Dollar From The Redfield Collection, you have a Redfield Hoard coin.
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It's in the 65 Holder. I agree with CCF @ 64.

Thanks for the input & thoughts! I'll take some pictures in-hand to try to bring out the toning.

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Paramount also used this new style Redfield Slab for their own coins as the slabs were selling very well. If the holder states, U.S. Silver Dollar it's a paramount coin. If the holder states, A Silver Dollar From The Redfield Collection, you have a Redfield Hoard coin.

This one is non-Redfield.


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ebay paid $145.
This one is Redfield in blue holder.


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ebay paid $155.
Most of the Red holders starts of at Low $200 and up.
The Green holders are very scares.
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I can honestly say in my time collecting I have never seen a green one of any sort; do you happen to have a picture? I'm curious now to see what they look like.

I found some other red ones (Redfield Collection) on ebay but the price tends to be around 200-300+, and the black ones a bit cheaper. I haven't seen a green one (yet) but I'm going to look for sure now!
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Here's a Dark Green Holder 1890-S that sold at GC 8-10-2014 for $2,600 plus byer fee. The black holder is actually Dark Blue. You can see it if held in natual lighting. Not sure if paramount had both a red and burgandy color holder but I've seen em look red and darker burgandy shade.

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I can honestly say in my time collecting I have never seen a green one of any sort; do you happen to have a picture? I'm curious now to see what they look like.


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Here's a Dark Green Holder 1890-S that sold at GC 8-10-2014 for $2,600 plus byer fee.

I posted a link to that GC auction on page 1.
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Awesome -- thanks!
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Got coin in hand today. Reverse is fully PL, obverse is borderline.

In hand pictures. Will edit again w/VAM

Edit: This one is interesting. Appears to be an EDS of VAM 31. Doubling is a match on the 1st 8 and the 0. Large S, filled upper loop, left tilt.

Lots of die polishing lines all over the place on the reverse, and in front of the neck on the obverse. No dash under 8, and no overdate. Ruled out V77 (no motto doubling) and V42 (no die chip on wreath.)

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Would probaby grade 64. Never know what the graders will think about this type of rim tone.
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I've noticed all the 64 grades and agree using today's standards. But at the time, the grading standards weren't so much looser, but more constrained, it was either MS-60 or MS-65, period. No 67's or higher, it was MS-65 with a Choice or Gem or "Holy Moly It's Gorgeous" descriptor for many years. Then MS-63 and MS-67 crept in, and now I wouldn't be surprised to start seeing "MS-65 and 3/4" with the way prices are skyrocketing.
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