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The 1842 looks like it had a layer of fake toning on it that the Chinese use on their products that has been partially polished off of the surfaces. There appears to a residue of it in the protected surfaces. At the same time you have some mirrored fields which look very unnatural.
The 1847 is either a counterfeit with granular surfaces, and perhaps a genuine coin that has been dipped in acid for way too long or way too often.
I would not keep either piece. Even if they are genuine, buying problem coins is never a good strategy unless you can't afford anything better.
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03/29/2016 1:50 pm
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I think both are genuine, but harshly cleaned. I like the second one better.
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To determine if these coins are real or not, you have to look at them with a 10X glass. Another trick that the counterfeiters are using now is to clean, polish and retone their products. This how they have gotten a few of these things into "genuine" major TPG holders. The polishing and cleans gives the counterfeiters the opportunity to scrape off some or all of the telltale signs. |
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I agree with the harsh cleaning... Although, it *might* be a fake as mentioned, I'm leaning twords legitimate
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Not an expert on these for sure, but I don't find either to be very eye-appealing, price aside.
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I'd pass on both. If the price is too good to be true, it usually is.
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My gut says both are genuine but the counterfeiters have gotten very good and Seated dollars seem to be a favorite series to copy. How cheap were they and were did you find them? Knowing the seller can mean a lot. |
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Thanks all for the responses. The first was purchased on ebay for $300 and the 2nd for $265 in straight auctions, not buy it now. Both from US sellers with decent feedback and not one "counterfeit" feedback. Both sellers responded to messages succinctly and quickly. I'm sure I overpaid given the condition but I will chalk it up as a learning experience. If NGC returns them as counterfeit I get a refund from eBay/Paypal or Amex chargeback and am out the grading fees - but gain from the experience. If just a plain old details grade for cleaning or other issue I'm out of luck. Next time I spend more time looking at pics and researching before I click! Edit: The more I look at these the stupider I feel  Edited by syeb
03/29/2016 5:27 pm
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If you are willing to spend a few hundred dollars on a coin, you best off buying NGC or PCGS certified coins. Are those companies perfect? No. They can over grade coins and make mistakes. BUT at least they have your back if the coin they certified turns out to be a counterfeit.
They can also have your back if the coin has a problem. I once goofed up and bought a $5 gold piece that had been treated with iodine. The use of iodine can make a coin look "old" and "crusty" which turns on some collectors these days. As turned "old and crusty" came from a bottle. I had to pay an up-front fee and had to wait for a couple of months, but I got the I paid for the coin plus the up-front fee back back. That was better than eating a big loss because the coin had been messed with.
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The 1842 Dollar is harshly cleaned, and the 1847 Dollar is also cleaned. Both real imo.
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syeb - we've all made mistakes. Fortunately, yours does not seem to be a big blow financially. Hey -  to the CCF! Edited by Coinfrog
03/29/2016 5:49 pm
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I think the 1847 is authentic as I can see die markers that seem to match OC-2 when I enlarge your images. http://www.seateddollarvarieties.co...47-OC2.shtmlI see die lines in the upper left portion of the shield on the reverse. I also see at least one die line next the scroll on the obverse...it was a little hard to see. Since have this in hand, you might see if you can see the pick-up points mentioned in the link above. -MV |
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Both appear authentic but evily cleaned. If you can send them back I'd recommend you do so and buy a slightly uncommon date in PCGS or NGC at EF 40 or 45 for the same money as these two.
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moxking - advice noted. Better one solid coin than two potentially worthless ones. Meadowview, thanks for the tip and the link especially. I took new pics of the 1842 and think it matches up with the OC3 variety. http://www.seateddollarvarieties.co...42-OC3.shtmlHere are the new pics. I can't seem to have the reverse shield come out clear but the horizontal mark is plain to see and matches the sample.     Edited by syeb
03/29/2016 9:25 pm
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syeb I'm glad the link was helpful. I wasn't comfortable giving a die marriage on the 1842 as I wasn't sure if I was seeing the pick up points clearly or if my eyes were tricking me. Indeed it does appear to be OC-3. to CCF -MV |
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