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Reference For 1531 K-B Hungarian Denar Variant

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Has anyone seen this variant of a 1531 K-B Hungarian Denar under King Ferdinand I? It has a straight side shield and a rosette above and on each side of the shield. Thank you.

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I have found this to be a very useful reference for coins of Hungary. http://www.numismatas.com/Forum/Pdf...0Hungary.pdf
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When I look at these Hungarian denars, I first look at the two letters that flank the Madonna and child. This seems to be better aligned with Huszar's thinking as well. The only 1531 date with these initials on the rev is Huszar #935. I do note that these have straight sided shields, but typically without the three rosettes. Also, these denars have a dot separating words in the obv inscription rather than the rosettes that yours has. The obv, therefore is a better fit for Huszar #959.

Your coins displays an interesting combination of the two varieties. if it was my coin, I'd probably call it a #935 with variant obv inscription. There is a lot of variation with these coins and so I don't know how unusual your coin is.
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spence, what do the letters in the field mean?
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Well, they are called mintmaster's marks, but it seems me that it is a bit more complicated than that. Rather, I think that these are more accurately combinations of mint marks and mintmaster marks, with the first letter providing information about the mint and the second letter generally referring to the first name of the mintmaster (sometimes his last name though). It means that sometimes the same two letters were used by different mintmasters.

I would welcome anyone else's take on this as I'm not 100% certain that I've got this right.
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Interesting, I have seen several different marks but had no idea what they meant. Thanks for the info.
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Thank you for your replies;I just finished a double shift. I kept looking back and forth with Huszar 935 and 959 and I thought I was crazy. Then there were the 3 rosettes. I tried googling tweaking the search every way I could think of and nothing turned up. I paid $85 for it without blinking an eye because it seemed like something scarce based on my searches and especially in that condition.
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