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How Exactly Do You Go About Collecting Roman Coins?

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I was wondering how exactly do people collect Roman coins? I presume the general answer is along the lines of "everyone collects them as they want to", but I'd like to ask for a few examples.

As there are so many Roman coins, you can't seriously hope to collect everything that was ever minted.

Do people collect them by denominations (similar to 7070)? One coin per emperor (or other person depicted on the coin)? Everything issued by one particular emperor?

Any other "strategy"?

(follow up questions to your answers: is it common or uncommon to collect them in such way; how expensive is it?)
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 Posted 04/11/2016  09:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I haven't collected Roman coins for a while now, but when I did I wanted to see if I could collect at least one coin from every emperor. I managed to put together a good list of them, but there are some that are so rare and expensive I realized I would never be able to have them all. So I branched out and started collecting Roman Provincials for a time. Than to just whatever coins appealed to me.
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 Posted 04/11/2016  09:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lrbguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I started collecting any ancient I could find in the early 1980s and Roman coins exclusively by 1990. At first I was after Roman silver, collecting Republican by denomination (mostly denarii) and Imperial by emperor also by denomination. But it was all old ground travelled better by countless others before and alongside me. Nothing distinctive was going to come out of it. Later I added large Provincial bronze, but in my hands that is not well organized.

However I had been collecting the literature as well, and in it learned about the fascination to be found in collecting the all too common late Roman bronze coins by mint. To my eye they were not as pretty or easy to read, but the possibilities for new discoveries were endless, and I was hooked. Still am. And some of them (many) are very attractive in a good photo.

If I were starting today I would make a point of acquiring as much of the literature as I could, whether in hard copy or as links online. Both have MUCH to offer, and will amplify whatever collecting style floats your particular boat. Not just catalogs, but articles and discussions of numismatic problems.
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I made a small collection of about 12 Romans. I wasn't so interested in collecting obscure emperors some of which I had never heard of so I did more of a type collection.

In my case I started with Hadrian (famous for his fortifications in the North of the country) and Marcus Aurelius who had a turbulent time trying to hold the empire together while it was ravaged by all kinds of troubles...military, financial and epidemics...

I added their wives too...

Then seeing the beauty of republic coins I added a couple of examples...large copper and silver denarius.

Another couple of interesting types was the campgate and the city commemoratives...so I added a Romulus and Remus, campgate and Pax reverse...

I recently added a Marc Anthony legionary denarius.

There are a couple more I would consider adding but not enough to fill a page so I consider my little set of 12 example enough.

I think collecting should be an organic experience picking out what is interesting and appealing to you and seeing what direction it takes you...
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I enjoyed putting a personage collection together to include the Emperors themselves and as many of their household that had coins issued.

While doing that I discovered I really enjoyed the few Republic issues I obtained, and expanded backwards with those.

Next thing I knew I thought expanding into Byzantine in the other direction would be fun.

Finally I needed a few Greek issues to even things up from the ancients perspective.

Next thing I knew I had several hundred coins that I really loved.

Like selecting any coin set, I only bought what I truly loved. I already knew buying cheap was not a good way to proceed. So now when I take my albums and look at them, consulting history as I do, I can walk through time.
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 Posted 04/11/2016  12:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Finn235 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I started out collecting completely aimlessly... buying large lots and seeing how many I could identify.

Got a few stellar coins for an amazing deal.

Wasted a whole bunch of money on culls and ugly common junk.

Good news is that with a little know-how, most of that money can be recovered; I am paring my collection down to a selection of one from each emperor, as long as the portrait is good and the coin is satisfying to look at.

I agree that an organic collection is the best sort... much more personal than assembling a checklist of coins to get with a defined finish line.
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 Posted 04/11/2016  1:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add orfew to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I can only speak for myself, but I started by reading books and websites for several months before buying my first ancient coin. this is how I found my eventual focus. You will hear any people tell you that you should find your focus by finding out what is interesting to you and I wholeheartedly agree.

In the course of my reading I was most influenced by the Lives of the Caesars by Suetonius (also known as the 12 Caesars). I remember having and other sources many years ago in my undergraduate years at the university.

I my mind I found it difficult to believe that anyone would not be interested in this incredibly influential century or so of roman history. there were stories of murder, suicide, victories, defeats, building and plundering.

This period began with a Roman identity crisis in that Julius Cesar became a bit too close to being a king and was killed for it. Augustus who was so popular that many of his coins were hoarded for centuries. Tiberius who ruled at the time the Christ was crucified. The mad Caligula who started off as a good ruler and became a monster. Claudius who invaded Britain is also an interesting character. There is also the story of Nero and his debasement of the coinage as well as the burning of Rome. What follows Nero? A civil war of course. Galba a governor under Nero takes control at the age of 73. Otho commits suicide rather than subject the empire to more bloodshed. Then we have Vitellius known mostly for his Gluttony.

It does not end there of course. Vespasian conquered Judea and used the proceeds to start the Flavian amphitheatre (also known as the Colosseum). After the death of Vespasian his son Titus would complete the colosseum. This period ends with Domitian who was nowhere near as good a ruler as his brother or father.

I have completed my set of the 12 Caesars, and overtime I look at them I am reminded of the many stories these coins tell. I am currently upgrading coins in the set which might take me several years. I do not think there is any danger of getting bored with such a formative and interesting period of time.

Some more advice. Many people will tell you to start off with
cheap coins and work your way up from there once you build some confidence. This is not how I started. My first coin was a denarius of Otho. If you know the area in which you want to collect I see nothing wrong with this approach but it does bring up 2 warnings. First, do your research before buying a coin. This means holding coins and examining them carefully so you get a good idea of how to identify a fake. Secondly, when starting out the most important thing you can do is to find a trustworthy dealer. This person may become both as great source of information, and a trusted source of further purchases. Build relationships with dealers and other collectors.

Lastly but most importantly, HAVE FUN. Spend times on this board and others and learn from what other write and from what they collect. Find out what you are interested in and pursue that for which you have a passion.

Good luck

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I've personally never collected Romans but I would assume it would depend on really what you want to collect from each type. Maybe get one from each Emperor, one from each province, etc..
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 Posted 04/11/2016  2:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Athalbert to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I used to buy everything that I could afford to...
After a while, I decided to buy only beautiful, affordable and interesting coins. I tried to make a small file about every coin before purchasing the next one (as you can imagine I failed, at those moments I was in a warship detached in a different city so when I visited my home I was not so self disciplined and always bought one or two coins).
In this moment I´m exposed to a very great temptation because I usually buy great lots to sell and of course I always pick several coins...
So to understand my method: I have no method at all.
Or perhaps my method is similar to the method of the mad sniper, I shot to everyone at range.
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 Posted 04/11/2016  2:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Athalbert to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
this is easier to do in Spain of course...
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I know there are several members on here who like to collect portraits of the same emperors. On paper, the dates all start to squish together, and it can be hard to remember that many emperors ascended to the title of Augustus as teenagers or young men and died after decades of rule. I believe that Marcus Aurelius and Caracalla are some of the more popular in this respect--their coins start out with boys, and progress to show bearded, wise old rulers.

You could also collect Gallienus, who rode the Roman economy into the ground through constant debasement of the silver coins until they were indistinguishable from the bronzes.
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I started in 1969 collecting first Roman and a little bit later also Greek coins .As it was not so easy to find this coins at the end of the sixties and beginning seventies , I tried always to merchand the best quality for the best price .In 1972 , I was staying about two years near to Bordeaux in France for my work , and there I had the possibility to buy an old collection of the brother of my house owner,who passed away a few months earlier . This was the very begin of my collection .During about 15 years , I bought Greek and Roman , mostly silver but without any sence of making a specific collection .From the end of the eighties on I begun to buy more antiquities,especially Egyptian ,till the moment my wife said there was no more place in our house . So I started
again with my coins , mostly silver and mostly Greek , and if possible South Italian and now also Sicilian ,but all the time , I reserve a part of my budget for good deals , special coins or sometime an interesting lot .Since last year , I am also looking for medieval coins because I could make some good deals with this coins .
Beside my antique coins , I have also a very big collection of coins from the 16th century on , wich I received from the grandmother of my wife .I had and still have a lot of work with this collection .
For me is the work ,together with the pleasure to admire the coins , the best fun you have with coin collecting .When I am at home , I am spending every afternoon at this hobby , as in the morning I have to work in the garden ; I think it is an easy way to keep 'mens sana in corpore sano '.
The best advice I can give is to buy allways the best quality you can pay . It is better to have 5 beautyful coins than 20 ordinary . Coin collecting takes time , so you will have the possibility to make a nice collection by being difficult on the quality .albert
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Some general guidelines: Republic or Imperatorial/Imperial? If Imperial, silver/bronze/gold?
I only collect imperial silver and my collection trails off as the silver content drops in the mid 3rd century.
My initial focus was on collecting 1 coin/emperor from Augustus to Diocletian, but doing that I found the consecratio (deification) issues fascinating and so my collection has that as a focus. I also like the depiction of women on coins of the era, since I find that stylistically they are more pleasing than those of the men.
It also brings history alive for me - such as Plautilla's holding Caracalla's hand on the back of some of her denarii. He later had her exiled and killed.
Or Faustina I's consecratio issue. It's a very common coin but I've been to her temple in the forum, which is also depicted on one of her deification coins.

There are some coins that I will never get - like Elagabalus's 3rd wife Annia Faustina's denarius. Only a handful exist. But the point isn't to "collect them all" - it's to experience the joy of learning about a vanished people through the artifacts they've left behind.
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There are many ways to collect ancient coins. One is not obliged to narrow one's field of collecting focus - I have not - but many collectors do so, to avoid feeling overwhelmed by the options.

Some, such as has been mentioned, are along the lines of "one of each emperor" - an overall theme covering the entire Roman period, and even beyond, since the division between "Roman" and "Byzantine" is purely a semantic one. This is popular, and how expensive it gets depends entirely on your definition of "emperor", as the hardest and most expensive are the usurpers who only reigned briefly, or in a very restricted geographic area.

One can focus on a particular emperor, or a particular Imperial family. Similar to this is the "Twelve Caesars" collection theme. How easy/expensive this is depends entirely on your target: the family of Constantine is cheap and easy, the Twelve Caesars is quite pricey (because it's so popular).

One can focus on a particular mint-city, especially in the Late Roman period when the concept of the easy-to-interpret mintmark was invented. If you're prepared to expand the field into Roman Provincial coins, then a further geographical theme can be aimed for, collecting the coins issued by specific cities or regions. THis is a popular method of collecting, and again the budgetary constraints depend entirely on what the target is. A large, wealthy city like Ephesus has plenty of coin types and is also quite popular due to the ruins being a modern-day tourist destination.

One can focus on "reverse types", similar to a "thematic" collector in the modern world coin series. Are you into astronomy? Then you can collect the "planetary" deities (Mars, Jupiter, etc). Engineering and architecture? Then coins featuring temples and monuments might appeal to you. Does the history of expansion of the Empire interest you? Then the theme of Imperial Provinces might engage you. Religion and philosophy? There's plenty of scope for a collection that illustrates the changing religious landscape of the Empire over the centuries as the various religions and cults gained and lost official favour. Such thematic collections are limited only by your own imagination and personality.

Personally, chronological systems - calendars and dates - are of interest to me, so I'll happily seek out and pay extra for a coin with a date written in an unusual calendar system, or a coin that can be dated to a particular significant year.
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Everybody has their own 'style' of collecting ancients but some standard frameworks are to try to get a good example of as many emperors as possible, picking a favorite emperor or time period and collecting as many nice specimens as you can from then, or just buying what you find interesting either due to the history of a coin or the aesthetics. I definitely fall into the third camp with a little bit of the first. Personally I like having coins from as many cultures as I can, especially if they're also aesthetically pleasing. I like having as many emperors as I can, again, especially if the coins look nice. There are several emperors of whom I have more than one coin, either because I've upgraded a coin, I've gotten a good deal on a good quality coin, or I liked the design on a coin even if it wasn't a straight upgrade of whatever I had before. Sometimes I start reading about a certain historical period and just get the bug to pick something up to hold in my hand while I'm reading. If only I could find something affordable for while I'm reading I, Claudius...

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As a recent novice collector, with only two years under my belt the first step was coming here and learning from the generous elders here. It has been invaluable and many of them have been extremely helpful. The second step was not only taking advantage of great sites like Wildwinds and other internet sources, but also acquiring some decent books and materials. I really like ERIC II, which can be found online. A goal, whatever it may be is essential. My goal, is a silver/gold coin of each Emperor albeit in some cases I have acquired a Bronze if the portrait was magnificent. Alas, some like Avitus, Or Romulus Augustulus will be beyond my reach but it's a lifetime project. Trust your instincts, if it sounds too good to be true, it usually is. If a coin is usually being auctioned by legitimate dealers in the $500-$1000 range, it is highly unlikely that the guy selling it on ebay for $50 is legitimate. However possibilities of great deals do exist. In two years I managed to score one great investment, I acquired an Hostilian Tetradrachm for $100 on ebay that CNG later sold for $1600, so it can happen, but it's rare. Finally, have fun, enjoy the process and always be prepared to spend more if the coin really catches your eye, quality over quantity. Good Luck!
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