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Pm Trends During Recessions And Recovery Years?

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 Posted 04/12/2016  12:53 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add greenprint to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I was looking at historical data and it seems that during recessions the value of bullion goes down to it's lowest points. But I thought people argue that during recessions PM is a good thing to have but it seems during this time it is at it's lowest points. It also seems that it goes it it's highest points are after rescission and during the recovery years and the economy gets better it increases in value.

http://www.macrotrends.net/1470/his...0-year-chart

I was looking at that and it seems to be the case? But I thought people believe that PM goes up in value during recessions when it appears to be the opposite.



It almost appears to me that historically it's a good idea to dump into PM during rescission when it's low and sit on it until the economy recovers to sell.

Am I looking at the data wrong?

And we are overdue for a rescission hmmmm... Will silver and gold continue to go down and then when we have the next rescission some time soon it will be at it's lowest? It seems we are on a downward trend before the next rescission? Than is the time to buy during rescission? And sell during the recovery years?

It seems we are on a downward trend since 2011 and will continue to bounce around with a generally negative trend until the next rescission?
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04/12/2016 01:02 am
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 Posted 04/12/2016  06:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gxseries to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It just seems that good old hard cash is king at the moment. Investors have money to burn but are not willing to invest in something that will rise and collapse rapidly.

The way I see it is that in order for someone to make a profit, someone has to lose out. And not many are willing to lose out. Just think about it - would you want to be on the losing end? Unless you are super generous, I can guarantee no.

You can start to talk about possible demand vs speculation but you also need to look at the supply side. The mining industry currently is facing one of the most challenging times. While there has been many restructure going on and the low oil price is helping to bring the cost down, they must cut down and increase production in order to make investors happy. This of course brings a vicious cycle of bringing prices down.

In general, if there has been a historical trend - there will always been a group of "investors" who want to make profit out of it.
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Yeah what I'm saying it seems to be repetitive. I'm not referring to if PM retains it's value comparing before and after rescission. But that it seems post World War 2 we generally have a recession every 5 years or so and that we are over due. It seems that during the middle of a recession silver is generally at a low point. Post recession and during the first few years of recovery years silver's value is greater than what it was during a recession. It seems the greater the recession the lower it goes during the recession and the greater the jump during recovery years. Supposedly 2008-2009 was one of the worst recessions we have seen in some time and it seems the value of silver dropped really low during it only to shoot up during recovery year periods.

When the next recession happens I think it may be worst than 2008-2009 and if it is we may see something similar happening again. But even if it's not so bad I think the trend will continue bottom out during middle of a recession. Increase during first few years of recovery, downwards trend until the next recession.

But why during a recession is PM at it's lowest value? I know some people like to hoard PM in advanced before recessions because they believe it will go up in value when to me it seems like people should hoard not before a recession but during it and wait for the recovery years to cash out.

I don't know it just seems like a rabbit market and just static noise at the moment with a general negative trend before the next recession were it may bottom out again only to jump yet again during recovery years. Now may not be the best time to buy a large amount with the next recession coming. I think it's not a matter of if the next recession will come but when. With all the debt we have occurred since 2008-2009 I fear the next recession will be worse.

I just don't understand why PM drops during the middle of a recession ?
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04/12/2016 6:29 pm
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Could be they are short on cash and need what they have for the necessary things in life. Although I could be wrong.
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It's a two way street. At good times when people have money to spend, prices go up as they have free cash. This in general lead to inflation. Also note that as precious metal prices are quoted in US dollars, this does not necessarily reflect the overall global trend. I am not an economist hence unable to make a definite correlation between low PM prices and recession.

When you look at the supply side, when times are good - mining operation costs go up. This is also one of the only few opportunities for mining operations to process lower grade ores which may have been uneconomical at one stage. When times get tough, they can continue to stockpile lower grade ores and process higher grade. Operation cost still remains the same but the volume differs. Because investors expect dividends even when times are tough, companies must perform at whatever it must take, whether it leads to fiercer competition or they might as well pack up and go (obviously not a desirable option). A good example is oil prices - a huge influx of oil is still continuing to flood the market and a few companies, if not countries are complaining that it's getting too low. But in order to service debts or obligations, one cannot just shut down production. A huge influx of supply, stagnant demand all lead to lower prices.

Also think about this - when times are really tough, can you eat a gold bar or drink a barrel of oil and survive?
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