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I made a table of the top 13 banknotes in circulation as of 31 December 2016 (latest database at BIS in Basel Switzerland). Ranking by value of the entire circulation stock de-emphasizes certain high value notes like old 10 000 SGD from Singapore , 500 latu from Latvia, and 1000kr from Denmark that only circulate in small quantities within the respective nations.
Billions :Currency - Denomination - In USD at end of 2016 $1155 :USD $100 ---- $100.00 $808 :JPY 10,000 ---- $74.55 $487 :EUR €50 ---- $52.70 $285 :EUR €500 ---- $527.05 $256 :EUR €100 ---- $105.41 $177 :USD $20 ---- $20.00 $104 :RUB 5,000 ---- $82.43 $96.7 :INR 2,000 ---- $29.43 $83.5 :USD $50 ---- $50.00 $62.7 :KRW 50,000 ---- $41.37 $55.6 :GBP £20 ---- $24.62 $49.0 :CHF 1,000 ---- $1,014.96 $47.9 :MXN 500 ---- $24.20
RUB-Russian Ruble, INR-Indian Rupee, KRW-South Korean Won, MXN-Mexican national currency
The ECB has ordered over a billion of the new Europa €200 banknote for next year (28 May 2019) under the natural assumption that many of the half a billion of old €500 will be exchanged.
The new 1000CHF banknote will be released with a preliminary date of 11 weeks before the release date of the new Europa €200. Personally, I think the new note will be popular throughout Europe even without a crisis in the Euro Zone.
For starters the note is a work of art. Although the final design is not released, the smaller denominations are quite beautiful, and the explicit national symbols like portraits are completely gone.
The fact that the note is not denominated in Euros may not be a big issue as many of these notes will become a "store of value" and kept in safes for private display for years.
My personal feeling is that it will certainly surpass US$100 billion in a few years and provide a steady source of income for the Swiss federal government.
From a strictly accounting perspective banknotes are not income, but a liability to the central bank. But if they are never redeemed, they act more like profit.
I should note that Sweden used to have a 10,000SEK banknote up until 1991 which today would be worth 10% more than the 1000CHF banknote. Perhaps Sweden will try to get in on the game by reviving that note.
Edited by PacoMartin 12/03/2018 10:20 am
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Quote: It is probable that many people who hold these notes [€500] will want to trade them in for brand new Swiss 1000 Franc notes. Quote: Not going to happen. And if, only on a very, very small basis. People who already ''store value'' in banknotes of Swiss francs will naturally get the new notes. But people who ''store value'' in €500 notes will flock to the new €100 and €200 notes. I don't see a movement (or shift) to get the CHF 1000 note because the €500 will not be updated to second series. There will only be a run on the Swiss Franc in general and the CHF 1000 note if there's going to be a huge financial crisis in the Euro zone or with the Euro.  Third opinions on this topic are welcome! I see the beauty of the Swiss notes to be a big factor. People store gold and diamonds partly because they are more beautiful, tangible representation of their wealth.
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By the way, Bundesbank (Germany's Central Bank) and Oesterreichische Nationalbank (Austria's Central Bank) will stop issuing the €500 banknote on 26-April-2019. The other 17 Central Banks of the Eurozone will stop issuing the €500 note on 26-Jan-2019. Most of the €500 notes were put into circulation by Bundesbank and OeNB.
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In the year 2000, there were roughly 117 million banknotes in circulation valued above €260 in the entire Euro Zone millions- Euro - denomination 89.2 €511 1,000 German Mark 13.3 €454 1,000 Dutch Guilder 14.0 €363 5,000 Austrian Schilling 3777 $100 During the year 2001, a lot of high value notes were turned in in anticipation of the changeover to new banknotes. As of last day in October 2018 circulation figures are millions- denomination 2743 €100 253 €200 520 €500 12517 $100 as of last day in 2017 In all the discussions of money laundering, there is such an obsession about how much easier it is to hide 2 kg of banknotes vs 5 kg of banknotes (if you are trying to smuggle a million euros), that it seems as if the obvious is overlooked. It's relatively easy to spend the US$100 banknote around the world because there are so many of them. Quote: You may be able to stitch a million euros inside your coat in the denomination €500, but ultimately what is really important in money laundering? Is it really how much value you can stuff into a body cavity, or is it how easy the money is to spread around without notice?
Edited by PacoMartin 12/15/2018 6:23 pm
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Initial production of high value Euro notes prior to 2002 (in millions) was: €123,050 €100 €044,720 €200 €185,350 €500 €353,120 (55.8% of total banknotes)
At the end of 2001 USA was circulating $420,000 million of $100 banknotes. I think the ECB thought the €500 denomination was critical to surpassing the USD within 5 years,
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Canada
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I agree with "Redlock" in his prediction that most people won't switch to the 1000CHF to store their cash assets (but rather opt to exchange their old 500 Euros for the 200E & 100E denominations).
I really find it hard to imagine that people would start using the 1000CHF note just because its a "work of art." I believe most people (criminal or otherwise) will choose a high denomination based on ease of use as "Yellow88" eludes to (can they cash/exchange it easily?) and since the $100US is so ubiquitous it remains a highly used banknote worldwide. This would also make it a natural currency of choice for organized crime.
Fortunately the BEP has improved the security features of this denomination & I suppose if criminals find a way to counterfeit the 2013 issue then people may turn to other high denominations (foreign currencies) but I doubt it would be a huge phenomenon. It is wise that the Swiss insert 13 security features in their CHF.
Although governments, banks & security agencies try to curb organized criminal activities by eliminating high denominations (or deter their use) - I agree with most members who post here -in that it is a pretty vain/inefficient attempt on their part.
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I have some insider information about Australian Government banknote policy. They have a medium term intention to get rid of the highest denomination banknote in Australia: the $100 (= about $70 U.S.) I don't think it has much to do with cash payment of illegal drugs, but to simply helping to speed up the introduction of a cashless society.
That is a big problem for me. I have lived all of my life with cash budgeting. I have never had a credit card, and even the bank tellers, congratulate me for that! I do use a debit card in emergencies, but I always top it up again with cash. I can honestly report that I have saved 10's of thousands of dollars over my lifetime, with cash budgeting.
I have never, ever, been if financial difficulty, and the only debt in my life was a mortgage, fully paid off 25 years ago.
Society really needs to retain large denomination banknotes.
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There will never be a truly cashless society, in the event that governments stop printing cash, private companies will issue scrip to serve the same purpose.
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Canada
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Quote: I don't think it has much to do with cash payment of illegal drugs, but to simply helping to speed up the introduction of a cashless society. I have to agree with "XavierOfGreen" because this would put the Bank of Australia out of business. Canada is 3rd in the world for using the least amount of cash. Visit the BOC https://www.bankofcanada.ca website and browse the "RESEARCH" with "Cashless society" search. You will find a pdf document which studies the possibility of this scenario for Canada. They conclude that our inclination towards a cashless society is not necessarily a good thing (it contradicts the purpose of the bank), it would put the population of the country in serious peril should there be a crises (like when electricity went out in Puerto Rico recently & the population could not use credit/debit), etc, etc. I've read countless conspiracy theorist on this site carry on how governments want this- but I couldn't disagree more. Sure- our society is using less cash- which for the most part is great (in terms of convenience) but I'm just like you "sel_69l" and have done well by avoiding credit/debit & getting too reliant on e-banking. I also encourage you to read "The Conversation" posted by "PacoMartin" on December 2nd, as it too, illustrates why large denominations (& cash) is needed in society.
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United States
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Dec 2018 €100:2804 million, €200:256 million, €500:522 million in circulation ----- Production statistics from ECB 2015 €100, €200, €500 zero production 2016 €100:176 million 2017 €100:850 million, €200:284 million 2018 €100:2300 million, €200:715 million 2019 €100, €200 zero production It certainly seems as if the ECB has produced enough Europa €100 and €200 banknotes to replace all of the €500 banknotes =========== I am certainly not suggesting that all or even a majority of the 522 million €500 banknotes will be replaced by the 1000CHF banknotes. Some percentage will be retained as is, since the old notes are still legal tender, and the bulk of them will be replaced with new Europa €100 and €200 banknotes.
What I am suggesting is that the beauty of the new 1000CHF banknote and the simple fact that it is the last of giant denominations will attract people. The current circulation level of 50 million 1000CHF notes could substantially increase to over 100 million in two years, and then grow year after year. I think beauty is significant. People like to look at things and show them off. The Euro banknotes are deliberately pedestrian looking. A significant increase would allow Switzerland to reduce federal taxes.
Edited by PacoMartin 01/27/2019 01:53 am
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Response to Walk2dwater http://goccf.com/t/258616&whichpage=3#2895167Thank you for the references at the Bank of Canada website. The article "Is a Cashless Society Problematic?" dated October 2018 in discussing Sweden states that "More recently, the demand for SEK 500 notes has also started to decline." The SEK500=CAD$73 is the dominate note for ATMs in Sweden,as the SEK1000 banknote is now only circulating in token quantities. As the article probably used older data they wouldn't realize that the SEK500 banknote increased in circulation by 16% in the year 2018. There is some evidence that the trend toward "cashlessness" may invoke a societal backlash at some point. People begin to worry about entrusting too much to banks and they almost become afraid that if they don't use cash it will vanish. Iceland developed the most cashless society in the world in the mid 1980s. At the time Sweden had more cash in circulation than almost any country in the world (on par with Switzerland). They were still circulating a banknote denominated as 10,000 SEK which was worth roughly US$2000. Finland also went through a period of near cashlessness in the late 1990s. Iceland resurrected cash after all the banks went under in 2008, and Finland resurrected cash as it entered the Euro Area. The ECB instructed Finland to produce a certain number of notes worth far more than the supply of Finnish Markka. Cash began to circulate in Finland in increasing amounts since 2002. While I applaud the South Korean to eliminate coins in an effort to speed up routine transactions, I think high denomination banknotes are comforting to people, and I am not sure if they will vanish. The image of Demi Moore rolling on a bed covered in banknotes will never need explanatory closed captions for our children https://s3.drafthouse.com/images/ma...426_81_s.jpg
Edited by PacoMartin 01/26/2019 6:54 pm
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As of Jan 2019 notes in circulation €278,511,458,700 in €100 notes €51,268,072,200 in €200 notes €258,143,830,500 in €500 notes Production statistics for Europa series (issue date May 25 2019) €332,600,000,000 in €100 notes €198,000,000,000 in €200 notes Keeping in mind that the old €500 notes will remain legal tender it remains to be seen how many will be retained. The assumption is that a large percentage will be exchanged in first year, The new 1000CHF banknote was released today. 10 weeks in advance of the new Europa banknotes. I am bullish on the new note, and I expect to see tens of millions of these notes bought up by people outside of Switzerland. Other people on this forum have said that it won't happen. 
Edited by PacoMartin 03/07/2019 12:59 pm
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United States
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As of 28 May 2019 €100 and €200 banknotes were issued to complete the Europa series. The number of €500 banknotes in circulation dropped 3% from 1 January to 30 April this year, but presumably many will be exchanged for the new Europa €200 series banknotes.
The ECB produced roughly a billion €200 note anticipating a newfound popularity for the series. The old €200 banknote never circulated more than 270 million, as the €500 banknote circulation got as high as 307 million notes at the end of 2015 before the ECB announced that it would be withdrawn from the Europa series.
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Germany
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Quote: as the €500 banknote circulation got as high as 307 million notes at the end of 2015 Actually, the peak of €500 bills in ''circulation'' was 613.56 Million in December of 2015.
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United States
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You are right, of course, I meant to say 307 billion Euros in December 2015.
Since this war on the criminal banknote started, the 500 Euro notes in circulation are down to what they were 10-11 years ago. They should continue to drop as the new 100 and 200 Euro notes begin to circulate.
Does everyone in the EU feel safer yet?
BTW, in Sweden, the war on cash seems to have called a truce. The cash supply has returned to the level it was 2 years and 9 months ago when the last two banknotes were reissued. It will be interesting to see what happens if Sweden introduces central bank digital currency. Personally, I would wager that it makes no change to the cash supply.
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