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Lowball Morgan - But Will It Certify?

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Can the date be established with enough certainty?

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I've enhanced the last photo, but I'm still unsure....
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I think there's one too many rim dings, in my opinion
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PO-01 Details, Rim Damage
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It has to be PO-01. Congrats, if that is the word.
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Hmmm, it's my understanding that if it cannot be dated it won't be graded by a TPG service. Maybe there'd be enough detail in the right light, or maybe there are markers that could pin it down. Perhaps 1898-O, 1893-O or 1903-O.
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I have a similar one and I have the same question, will it certify?
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It is a Poor-1 Details. It would not full grade.

Just for fun, let's determine a date:

Visible diagnostics:
- Date is slanted
- Date position is normal to near
- Spacing between 2nd and 3rd date digits is wide

- Mintmark is set right
- Mintmark is tilted right
- Mintmark is high

1903-O has no right-tilting high O reverse. That's out.
1898-O has no slanted date obverse and the spacing between 89 is narrow. That's out too.

That leaves 1892-O and 1893-O in my opinion, both of which have VAMs that match a slanted date with a high O set right and slanted to the right.

I'd wager it's probably an 1893-O, and probably a VAM-3. The date spacing between the 9 and the last digit more closely resembles 1893 than 1892, and the shape of the top of the last digit more closely resembles a 3 than a 2.

It may be an 1892-O but I'm leaning heavily towards 93.

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Nice analysis.
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I think it could make PO-1.
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I believe the date needs to be readable for PO-1. Not sure how much a TPG is going to care about rim dings at this grade level -- the coin is essentially a planchet with some ghostly hints that it was once a silver dollar.
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No, the date does not have to be readable IF it can unambiguiously be determined through other means.

I'm in the body bag camp, I don't think Poor details is a valid grade.
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