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Help Identify/ Authenticate This Mexican Coin

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I picked this up a few days ago and cannot attribute it. Any help will be appreciated. It looks to be made of copper or bronze, and about 21.3 mm in diameter.

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 Posted 04/16/2016  8:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Carmine G 21 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I found similar image in an old coin book I have

republica mexicano 8 escudos

year I show in book with image above 1849 or 1835, 8 escudos

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An 8 escudo would be gold so I'm assuming this is probably a Counterfeit. Any body else have an idea?
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It could be an 8 reales pattern stike, but some things on your coin do not seem to match up (like where Mexicana ends, for example). I would think it would be a counterfeit, though I do not have much knowledge in that area.

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I doubt we will ever know, but what is the weight?
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There were no 8 Escudos coins minted in Mexico with the Cap & Ray design. The Escudos had a arm holding a cap upon a short wooden pole/stake and a book representing the law/justice on the obverse and the Mexican Eagle on the reverse.

According to the specs you posted and the pictures I believe you have a contemporary counterfeit of either a 1 Real or a 2 Reales since we can't see the denomination legend and the 21.3 diameter is between a 1 Real and a 2 Real.
The strike also comes across as too crude and porous for a pattern coin it resembles a coin that has been cast. We can make out the 10D 20G legend which represented the standard finesse of approximately .903 silver common in Mexican Cap & Rays but obviously this is not a silver coin.

Nice pickup either way, and a interesting piece of history.
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keepcalmandcoinon What you have is probably a contemporary circulating counterfeit 1 Reale. Based on appearance it is second republic and perhaps Guanajuato. These copper counterfeits are very common and without a date it is of little value. The context of where it was located may be of more interest than the coin itself. These were locally produced and did not tend to get outside of Mexico. A large number of these have been on the market since the 1990s the result of a discovery of a disposal area being discovered. Found in a dump associated with a silver refinery ruin (on Federal lands) - the hoard of counterfeits were chemically treated (about 1910-15) to remove the silver electroplate. The leftover copper cores were buried in metal barrels and other containers to dispose of them.

The second possibility would be a button. In the last quarter of the nineteenth century buttons resembling coins were in fashion. I would look for a trace of a loop being removed. Replica one reale sized buttons are known but are not as common as the two reales size. This might bring more money in a sale if there was conclusive proof it had been used as a button.
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