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isellonebuy 231941686479Seller makes no mention that there is anything wrong, with the exception of including the weight in the title (which you have to know is going on 2 grams light).   Show your financial support of the Coin Community Family (click here)See my topic on Mexican Numismatic Medals (click here) |
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I don't believe it's genuine. He lists a number of suspicious pieces, including this 1847 $1 that looks to me like one of the Chinese counterfeits. http://www.ebay.com/itm/1847-Seated...AOSwt7pXM8h4His feedback looks equally suspicious to me .... buyer beware. Let's see what others say. |
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It looks like it was gouged out, which would explain the weight discrepancy.
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@ExoGuy
I disagree that his stuff is counterfeit, unless the counterfeiters have upped their game yet again.
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This one is authentic for comparison.  |
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ExoGuy: I don't believe it's genuine. He lists a number of suspicious pieces, including this 1847 $1 that looks to me like one of the Chinese counterfeits. *** Edited by Staff to add quote tags. Please use them in the future. Posts are very difficult to read without them.***ExoGuy, I am curious if you see anything in the photos of the 1847 dollar that makes you think it is counterfeit, or is it only the seller's history. I am going crazy trying to figure it out - holding a known genuine 1847 to the screen and I can't see any differences. |
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Seller makes no mention that there is anything wrong does he need to? I mean, unless blind people are buying things online with the aid of a text reading software, (which they should definitely not do), nobody is going to be tricked by this coin. It is a case of what you see is what you get. AS far as genuine goes, hard to tell with all of that junk on the face. |
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I put in a bid. I think it looks cool and probably has an interesting story.
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I think the guy who was supposed to put in the "chop mark" used the wrong chopping tool. He must have had an axe laying around the office. Unless that's the mark of his finger in which case it must have been a painful experience.  |
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There's a lot that makes me highly suspicious about this seller. Initially, I ask, what kind of seller lists a number of "coins" seemingly worth many hundreds of dollars with 99 cent starting bids, when he lists 1964 Kennedy halves with a $100.70 BIN ? Quote:
ExoGuy, I am curious if you see anything in the photos of the 1847 dollar that makes you think it is counterfeit, or is it only the seller's history. I am going crazy trying to figure it out - holding a known genuine 1847 to the screen and I can't see any differences. I've seen a good many of the Chinese counterfeits, and this seller's piece has what I deem "the look." First off, it has the dull gray color that's commonly seen. Secondly, while it has XF details, there's no sharpness anywhere, just a uniformly hazy look. On the reverse, what's up with the base of the first T in STATES? Look at the shape of the O in DOL. When I zoomed in on the downloaded pics, I see various lumps in the fields ... ED ... maybe, maybe not! Here are pics of the suspicious 1847, my take, along with pics of what I regard as an assuredly genuine coin ...     Which one looks more genuine? |
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I've seen a good many of the Chinese counterfeits, and this seller's piece has what I deem "the look." First off, it has the dull gray color that's commonly seen. Secondly, while it has XF details, there's no sharpness anywhere, just a uniformly hazy look. On the reverse, what's up with the base of the first T in STATES? Look at the shape of the O in DOL. When I zoomed in on the downloaded pics, I see various lumps in the fields ... ED ... maybe, maybe not! I am going to give this coin the benefit of the doubt. The color is the result of a cleaning. This coin does not have the "hazy" look seen on counterfeits. You can see what true "mushiness" looks like on this counterfeit:  The pictures are very small and of low resolution, so I can't confirm my theory that the T has been damaged. The weirdness in the O is an illusion caused by dirt in the bottom of the loop. I don't see the lumps you speak of as the pictures are very low quality. |
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Thanks ExoGuy for the pointers. I was obviously focusing on specific details and missing the whole story. Amazing I can be looking and looking and miss something like that. I guess there is a lot of learning to do.
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syeb ... While I'm highly suspect, I really can't say for sure or with a higher degree of certainty, unless I have the piece in hand. Knowing the actual weight and seeing a piece in natural light helps a lot. Oftentimes, the fakes exhibit some degree of discoloration. The hawkers of the fakes are doing things to make them look more aged, circulated, too. Some I've seen appear to have been put in a tumbler and/or have been chemically treated. I was in a dealer's shop once, when a guy bought in an album of old dollars to sell. There were a few key date Morgan fakes mixed in with genuine common date dollars. My presence that day saved a flea market dealer from buying the lot ... It's a jungle out there!
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Here's another one of the seller's offerings, an 1874-CC Trade dollar, that I find suspicious ...   Again, we see that dull gray coloration and mushy details. Note the CC mintmark. The two C's have different shapes and are spaced far apart. The C on the right is to the right of the comma (looks more like a period) above. Compare the mintmark to that on a known, genuine piece below ...  |
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If the counterfeiters are using a genuine coin to create the die, how would things like the misplaced "CC" happen? Or are they just doing parts of it by hand?
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I put in a bid. I think it looks cool and probably has an interesting story. Your $1 bid did not win it. It sold for $81. I could not find any feedback from the buyer. Show your financial support of the Coin Community Family (click here)See my topic on Mexican Numismatic Medals (click here) |
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