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Anybody Know Of This 1924 As A Variety Yet?

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Saw something resembling a leaf or feather on the lowest part of the neckline. My thoughts are the dies smacked off of each other and a feather from the neck of the eagle broke and stuck to the Obverse die so I made am overlay of the reverse as it would be while looking at the Obverse..here it is.

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What did you conclude? I'm a little dense this morning as it's my birthday and I'm feeling old.
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We're only as old as we let ourselves feel. Happy Birthday! So far though I have concluded that it is one of the first large feathers at the very top of the eagles neck that somehow made it to the bust the bust on the Obverse. I'm very new to Peace dollars and that's the best way I can describe it. It doesn't seem to be a strike through though because it's so perfectly indented into the design, as if a piece of the reverse broke off and welded itself to the Obverse die. It looks to be a perfect design so I pretty much ruled out PMD as the cause. I will post more pictures later today.
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I am going with PMD. Not too well versed in Peace dollars, but to be a clash seems to make no sense to me. Initial thought was strike-thru, but not even sure about that.
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No way it's not PMD it's too perfect. If it is, they were absolutely spot on. It could be a strike through but I'm doubting that too. Something happened with the die.
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My thoughts are the dies smacked off of each other and a feather from the neck of the eagle broke and stuck to the Obverse die

Die clashes don't work like that. They usually only affect the fields, or very shallow devices if they're exceptionally strong. If the clash was strong enough for a feather from the eagle's neck to show up on Lady Liberty's neck (both of which are deep devices), I think the die would be pretty much destroyed (I'm not aware of any clashes even remotely close to that strong). I can't tell if this is a strike through since the pic is kind of blurry, but if that's not the case it's PSD.
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I wasn't thinking it to be a die clash. What I meant was that if the dies hit without a planchet between them and affected the Obverse die to make the imprint of the feather. It lines up perfectly with the large feather coming from the base of the eagles beak. Somebody must've been pretty good at pinpointing that to make it that way if it's PMD. It is my brother in law's who doesn't care to sell it no matter the value because it's been in his family since it was pulled from circulation early in its life. I assume he would know of any tampering but who knows I guess. Working with pictures doesn't tell much of anything with coins I guess. Oh well though thanks guys.
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I wasn't thinking it to be a die clash. What I meant was that if the dies hit without a planchet between them and affected the Obverse die to make the imprint of the feather.

That sounds like a die clash to me.
Are you saying you think the feather actually broke off of the reverse die?
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What I am getting out of that comment is something along the lines of one die fell (now at an angle to the other) onto the other and caused the imprint, much like in the case of denticle impressions. However, if that were to be the case the indentation would actually need to be raised. That and the dies were very hard and of course can easily take a hit from another die. I believe dies are much too hard to take damage that dramatic without breaking.
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