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Collecting Versus Investing

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 Posted 05/20/2016  2:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The way I see it is we all need both. Investors to sell to collectors like me.
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 Posted 05/20/2016  2:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Andrew99 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
T-bop, I understand there are people with different interests and we can learn from each other, but that is not what the OP is about. Comments like

" don't think of these people as real coin collectors; ...' and

"Are people who buy coins just to resell them coin collectors, or are they simply investors"

serve no other purpose than to put a label on someone that is different from you and has no value.

And how the heck do you quote something on this forum anyway?
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 Posted 05/20/2016  3:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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 Posted 05/20/2016  6:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jpsned to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Maybe you should focus on what you like to do yourself rather than trying to put labels on other people. Sorry if this sounds harsh, but I feel the entire discussion has no value.


I do very well focusing on what I like and I am not putting labels on people. I am pointing out that thinking of oneself as a coin collector can have many meanings, but for me, someone who buys coins with no intention of keeping them is not a collector in the strict sense; they are investors. There's nothing with that. But if they think of themselves as collectors, they're going to have a hard time convincing me that they love getting coins as much as a nine-year-old kid who can't wait to fill up another hole in his or her Lincoln Cent album.

Anyway, repliers have shown that many investors who simply buy and sell also have wonderful collections of their own. So you can be both.
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 Posted 05/20/2016  7:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Andrew99 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I am not putting labels on people. ...someone who buys coins with no intention of keeping them is not a collector ... they are investors


So your not putting a label on people, but here's how you label people.
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 Posted 05/20/2016  9:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add WheatBack to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I used to only collect coins, and I wouldn't sell any. That changed later on once I knew I could turn a quick profit and sometimes double my buying power by making a profit.

I still collect, but I also move quite a bit of merchandise now. A lot of times I will buy coins and paper money to make a profit to feed my main focus now which is paper money. If I get tired of seeing a certain piece in my collection, I sell it and buy something else. If someone down the road is interested in my collection I will hand it down, if not I'll just sell it off eventually.

So I suppose I'm half of the way to being an investor using jpsned's definition?
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 Posted 05/20/2016  9:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Finn235 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I sho p lots of world and ancient coins on ebay, pulling the trigger when I see a coin that either the seller does not realize is valuable, or that I could sell to keep XYZ coin in the lot for free. Here's how that thought process goes:

1) "Wow, I could sell this for so much money."

2) Coin arrives, fall in love

3) "Well, I'll never be able to get another one for this price!"

4) Coin is now part of my collection.

That said, I have forced myself to sell some chunks of my hoard, and will continue to do so.
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 Posted 05/20/2016  11:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Andrew99 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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1) "Wow, I could sell this for so much money."

2) Coin arrives, fall in love

3) "Well, I'll never be able to get another one for this price!"

4) Coin is now part of my collection.



Lol,I resemble that remark!
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 Posted 05/21/2016  01:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trout1105 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I tell myself all the time that I am an investor and not a collector.
It doesn't seem to be sinking in though But my Collections are coming on just "Swimmingly"
I think there are many different reasons why people buy coins and many different ways people collect them and it would be impossible to categorise every different way it is done.
To me I really don't think it matters that much, as long as they have an interest in coins All is Good
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 Posted 05/21/2016  01:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add acloco to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting question.

Couple of things. If life got REALLY tight on money, would you sell your collection?


I am a collector, but I do look for opportunities to purchase, with the two intentions - improve my core collection series and break even/make money on purchase.

If I happen to make money, then on to the next purchase.

Of note, I have not completed a series yet. I am very close on a couple - Lincoln cents and Washington quarters. Both are UNC sets.

Then, when wife and I took the two oldest grand daughters to The Money Museum, watching their attitudes from "ho hum" to "some of this is kind of cool" (in 4 year old and 6 year old terms), it was fun to watch.

At the close of our visit, I saw the Mark Twain commemorative in person. When I looked at the reverse, see the jumping frog and raft, this spurred many memories of reading his books about his adventures. I was able to hold my history, my enjoyment of reading a couple of books, reliving some of my memories.....just by holding that commemorative.

Yes, I bought it. There will be a note inside of the box, indicating where, when, with whom, and why I bought this commemorative.
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 Posted 05/21/2016  10:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Potsdam to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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1) "Wow, I could sell this for so much money."

2) Coin arrives, fall in love

3) "Well, I'll never be able to get another one for this price!"

4) Coin is now part of my collection.


Hah yeah I know that feeling. See a beautiful coin for a low price which does not particularly fit into my collection BUT what if I am going to extend my collection? I should beter keep it :)
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 Posted 05/21/2016  4:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Andrew99 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I love opportunistic collecting. It results in an eclectic collection, but you always are free to buy what you like.
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 Posted 05/21/2016  5:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DavidUK to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have only sold coins on one occasion (about 10 sovereigns that were bought at £5 a gram and sold at £20 a gram) but I needed the money at the time (even though I kind of regret it now) so I am definitely a collector.

Having said that I try to buy the best value for money coins I can, and I search hard for what I am after... I always have in the back of my mind that I want the coin to be valued close to what I spend on it. Maybe one day my collection will actually become my pension and I will be selling rather than buying... but not for the foreseeable future. Though I realise that dealers need to make profit by choosing the best coin at the best price and minimising this premium I hope that in 20 years or so the coins I own will exceed the value I paid... or at least act as a store of wealth.
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 Posted 05/22/2016  3:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add UltraRant to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well... maybe the US doesn't demonetize coins, but here in good ol' Yurop it's quite common. So in that case your coin collection might suddenly partially go from face value to scrap value - as there will be millions of them, it's not a proper investment. :) Those coins are simply for the fun of collecting.

With my bullion coins and rare coins, though, I always keep in mind that it's possible to sell in case required. This makes me theoretically an investor but practically a collector, I guess.

I'm not against pure investors or pure collectors (or anything in between). Most important is that we all share an interest in coins. Both are needed to keep this hobby alive.
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 Posted 05/23/2016  10:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Well... maybe the US doesn't demonetize coins, but here in good ol' Yurop it's quite common.
The Coinage Act of 1965 basically monetized everything the US ever minted, even things that never had official legal tender status before. Of course laws are not forever, but I would not worry about it since I collect for keeps.


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