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I've been thinking about the distinction. I think one of the reasons many of us go into coin collecting is because of the chance (albeit tiny) we might strike it rich by finding a rare coin in circulation.

The other initial lure is that no matter what happens, any coins we collect will always be worth at least their face value.

But even after we don't get lucky, we still continue because we appreciate the artistry, beauty and history behind these hunks of metal. I think that's a true collector--someone who keeps coins without any intention of reselling.

But what about those who buy coins with the sole intent on reselling to make a good profit? I don't think of these people as real coin collectors; I think of them as investors. Coins are simply the vehicles they use to make money. (In fact, numismatics is defined as "the study or collection of currency, including coins, tokens, paper money, and related objects" and says nothing about using these objects to make money.)

What is your opinion? Are people who buy coins just to resell them coin collectors, or are they simply investors?
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Most dealers have beautiful personal collections so the argument that:

"But what about those who buy coins with the sole intent on reselling to make a good profit? I don't think of these people as real coin collectors; I think of them as investors."

does not hold true to me.

Almost every dealer that I know, knows 100 times more about numismatics than the average collector.
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Well I guess than you'd have to differentiate between dealers who also collect and those who only handle coins in order to sell them.

People might as well do both, collect and resell coins when they have got the opportunity to get them for a cheap price.

Just think about people (like me) who like to buy larger lots of coins. Even before I buy a lot I know that I definitely will not keep every coin from the lot because only a very few fit into my collection. That's why I know beforehand that it's likely a large percentage of the lot is being sold again.

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If your intention is to invest, it follows that whatever you buy is to eventually to be sold for a profit, over and above the inflation rate. By definition, the growth of your collection must be somewhat limited.

I am a collector. I try to buy well, but there is no intention to sell later on.
For a lot of my purchases, I have made quite substantial 'paper' gains. Even then, I am not tempted to sell.

If you plan to buy well, it definitely pays to keep your mind open to the whole of numismatics, not just American or Australian coins. That requires reading and studying of the whole of numisamtics.

That is my lifetime commitment to numismatics, which I have followed for more than 4 decades. My numismatic library reflects this, with over 100 reference books and perhaps 200 research papers in all areas of numismatics.
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I'd have to agree with what others said, in that there is a big range in between just a collector, and just a dealer. For example, I consider myself a collector at heart, I love coins, and have several series I collect.

As others have mentioned, I also buy large lots of coins at near spot to build my collections. My main collection consists of silver dollars so when I make a purchase, other than key dates, I usually buy 500+ silver dollars at a time. I then cherry pick them filling in my collection with upgrades. Next, I usually keep aside all the more desirable years and varietys and sell them individually or in small lots to bring my cost down on the bulk lot further. Once I've sold enough to bring the bulk lot down to dealer scrap buy prices I usually just dump them all recovering my entire initial investment and gained some nice coins for my collection.

Despite selling quite a few coins, I look at it purely as a hobby and collector.
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Consider four types of coin people 1) Accumulator who hoards common coins obtained at face value, 2) Investor who buys most anything for liquidity and future profit, 3) Dealer who buys most anything for immediate turnover, and 4) Collector who lives at the end of the rainbow buying special coins that make them happy. I think you can describe folks as having a primary and secondary style from among these four categories such as the collector-investor or dealer-collector.
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I started collecting coins 50+ years ago and the only time I ever sold any of my coins was in 1994 when I sold about 15% of my collection to help purchase a boat . the boat is long gone, but the coins have grown into quite a collection since then .
So I do not sell coins for a profit ; my goal is to pass them down to my grandchildren .
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As mentioned by others, I also think there are many 'types' of 'collectors'. Many are dual types, and even those groups can be separated with various percentages.

I consider myself a 99% collector and 1% dealer. Almost all of the items I buy I intend to keep forever. There are a few times where I've bought coin lots where I've gotten multiples, and those I've tried to sell/trade to get some of the expense back.

My one friend says he's a collector too, but he hasn't saved more than a handful of all the coins he's obtained over the years. His main reason for buying coins is to resell them for a profit. When I complete sets, the first thing he asks me is if I'm going to sell them. To me, they are trophies of my efforts to acquire said sets; and I'll keep them for as many years as I have left. I put my buddy as a 98% dealer/2% collector.

My other friend buys coins too, but only silver coins. He doesn't care so much as to what grades they are or which type or mint-mark; just that he has silver that will escalate in value one day. I'd say he's a 95% investor/5% collector.

I'm sure there are plenty out there who are midrange (50/50, 60/40) coin 'collectors'. Many might also be 3-tier coiners (investor/dealer/collector, etc.).
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I am a collector of coins and an investor in things that are not coins.

I have never sold a coin, I do not expect that I ever will. I appreciate coins for what they are and not what they are worth.

I have a difficult time understanding those who try to do both, collect and invest in coins. That is not to say such a person does not exist, just that I do not know how their mind works. I really should not have to understand it, as long as they are happy.
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I think you will have collectors, investors, and variations in between.

I am really a collector. I do not buy coins to make a profit someday and the only time I sell something is to clear out duplicates and generate funds for buying more coins.

I just finished an interesting book about baseball cards called Mint Condition. At some point, baseball cards became more about the investing aspect than collecting; it drove out many of the true collectors (including kids), collapsed and maybe permanently ended it as a hobby.

The book mentioned a similar boom in coins as investments in the 90's that also drove up prices which then eventually collapsed, but I don't think it was to the same extent. A lot of parallels though.
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Every coin represents a place & a time, that is meaningful to a collector. An old US coin is likely more valuable to an American-It is from your own country. Likewise with Canadians. Many of my customers buy a foreign coin based on their heritage. I can tell by their last name. It represents their forefathers or their nation of origin. I buy & through the marketplaces I use, redistribute accordingly, hoping the venture is profitable in a small scale. I hang onto silver & gold for potential profit & save Hungarian coins because they represent my personal heritage. Being retired, I already earned & saved .Coins are a pleasant way to pass the time.
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Pistareen nailed it.
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Maybe you should focus on what you like to do yourself rather than trying to put labels on other people. Sorry if this sounds harsh, but I feel the entire discussion has no value.
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Sorry Andrew but I have to disagree with you . I believe it's a very good discussion . We all know there are dealers, sellers, collectors, speculators and investors on this forum . and that's ok , we all help each other out in one way or another . Thus we learn from one-another .
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I'd like to see someone try to justify coins as anything more than a wildcard investment.
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